Purdue, 20, Northwestern, 17
I always forget that the only thing that makes me mad is sports. I don't know why, I don't know how, it just does.
Here's your place to vent. But, remember, if you want me to not ban you from being a commenter on my site, be kind to Stefan Demos.
Yes, he's a crappy kicker. A really crappy kicker. I know.
But a) it's not all his fault. It's not his fault a kick that could've given NU a touchdown lead got blocked, it's not his fault NU's defense can't stop a zone read and is more bendable than a rubber band, it's not his fault there was a hold on a play where NU could've gotten into real field goal range. It's not his fault NU was in a position we needed him to make two very difficult field goals, and that he missed one, because it was very difficult.
And b) I was just in the student section. Yes, he's a crappy kicker, but, yo: he's a college football player. Let him be. Don't crap on his life because he missed a kick.
Carry on.
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Northwestern should never kick a field goal
it shouldn’t even be a play in the playbook.
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We should run sparingly and embrace the pass
What an aggravating game. Too many penalties, crappy officiating, just a team failure
I was sitting near the 2000 team and I half jokingly wanted damien anderson or Noah Herron to suit up. Where the heck was our dline when purdue was gouging us? I heard some very unkind things about demos leaving the stadium. Speaking of leaving the stadium, why the #%^*!! were fireworks being blown off after a loss!!?!?
Let’s take this in perspective people: look at our record last year at this point. Also, we can’t keep winning tight games forever. Sooner or later we’ll get bit in the ass
We have two weeks to prepare for sparty. We will need it.
I’ll put some YouTube videos up from my iPhone later tonight or tomorrow
by LincolnParkWildcat on Oct 10, 2010 1:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Offense in General
Penalties. Ineffective running putting us in bad spots. Penalties. These are non-Demos things we should be talking about. Also, penalties.
I tend to operate under the assumption that if Northwestern holds a team to 20 points, we should win given our offense’s history of efficiency. That might not be the case this year.
It could be the case
When we get the passing game rolling, we move up and down the field like the monty python song from NUMB would imply. We just need to play to our strengths.
There shouldn't be a need for a game winning FG
In this game (and against teams that we are actually better than), we need to put the opponent away. Demos had a blocked and a missed FG from distance, which sucks, but that shouldn’t be what this game swings on. The offensive play calling was just that, offensive. You can see on the last drive, when we play the NU style spread (lots of short passes), the run game opens a bit and provides opportunities down the field b/c the opposing D is watching the 4-6 yard pass closely.
I feel bad for Demos b/c he was put in a shitty situation that the coaches didn’t need to put him in, all to continue to try to prove that we are a running team.
agreed
Demos wasn’t great, but this loss is not on him. It’s on the coaching staff. 42 runs? Ok, a few were sacks and scrambles, but if I see that goddamned end around to Schmidt called one more time, I’m gonna explode.
It’s like Mick McCall had the under on this game. Just a pathetic game plan from the get go.
That is the story of the game.
The offensive playcalling seemed to actively be trying to put the team in bad positions. Except for a few glimpses, I haven’t seen the true Northwestern offense since the Outback Bowl. The ’Cats will have to show us that to compete with Sparty.
by Batman42 on Oct 9, 2010 11:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
+2
It’s not just McCall. It’s not going for it on 4th-and-1 on the Purdue 45 early in the game (taking the delay of game instead – yes, I know we went for it on 4th on a subsequent drive, but that’s no reason to dismiss a poor decision earlier), it’s the decision to never-ever try a real drive at the end of the first half, instead going uber-conservative. I don’t think that’s all McCall. Don’t get me wrong, I love Fitz, but he’s incredibly cautious early on.
One good rule of thumb? If your punter can reach the end zone, and there was 5 or less to get the first down, why not go for it?
Also, our OL is just brutal. Some of the playcalling makes us look bad, but some of it is that we just can’t line block to save our lives.
Sorry, I'm not giving Demos a buy
He sucks! There I said it and feel better. I’m sure he’s a great person, but I just don’t want to see him trotting out there on 4th downs anymore. I’ve lost all confidence in the guy and something is just not right with him mentally. It’s time to sit him down.
The defense played o.k.; but our offense never got on track. Even when we were driving and picking up first downs we were just getting barely getting the first down. There were no long passes being caught for 30+ yard gains.
And special teams in general (not just Demos) were pitiful. We blew this game and did not deserve the win.
I'm going to comment on my own post
For those of you still defending Demos, did you pay attention to Purdue’s kicker tonight? Did you see the height, distance and centering of those kicks? THAT’s what a Big 10 kicker is supposed to be!
True on Wiggs
He has a career long of 59, has kicked the three longest field goals in Purdue history, and has allegedly put it in the back of the net from 65 agaisnt a full rush in practice. Before the season Danny hope said he would try him from 70 if the conditions and situation was right.
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What didn't stink?
Bad special teams, bad penalties … but more runs than passes on offense?
Didn’t everyone watching have the feeling if Persa threw five-yard passes all day we’d score 41? Then we’d run and things would grind to a halt.
I really think the coaching staff had too much ego. Wanted to show they could run. Wanted to show Demos is still ok. Wanted to stick with Bates despite the fumbles.
You have to make some adjustments. Just thrown on every damn down!
Demos is a joke.
Sure he is a good person, big deal. We want to win and this was horrible. He needs to be replaced. Hold people accountable Fitz, stop clapping your hands. That is typical old NU loser talk.
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Demos bashing pisses me off
Let’s remember a few things:
- If Demos makes the final field goal, we don’t win, we go to overtime. The way the team as a whole was playing tonight does not convince me that they could have pulled it off.
- There are 10,000 other things that have to happen before a team is in the position of relying on its kicker to win or tie the game. It’s a shitty position that we need to learn to avoid if we want to move up a tier in the Big Ten. None of that is Demos’ fault.
- Kicking a field goal is f’ing hard, as the in-game field goal contests remind us. Kicking a 45-yard field goal when a game is on the line is beyond my imagination.
- The all-too-common response— “he’s the kicker, it’s the only thing he does, if he can’t do it, replace him!”— is crap. Sure, he practices these things all day. The OL also practices blocking, Hunter Bates practices catching punts, and Dan Persa practices complete passes. When those don’t happen right in a game, we call that failure to execute, and want better coaching. When Demos misses a hard field goal, we don’t call it failure to execute, we call for Demos’ head. It’s a double-standard generated by the very visible nature of his position.
- Demos field goals have been responsible for more than the margin of victory in six of the 13 wins we’ve had in the last two years, with 3 end-of-game winning kicks. Does that excuse poor performance now? No. But “Demos is a joke” or “He sucks”? Sorry, no. The guy has literally won games for us, saving the team from embarrassing mistakes. The fact that he couldn’t cover for otherwise pathetic play tonight doesn’t make him the bad guy. The fact that he alone couldn’t save the team from Mike Kafka’s 5 interceptions in the bowl game doesn’t make him the bad guy.
And a loss to Eastern Michigan last year would have hurt the program a whole lot more than losing the Outback Bowl or even this loss do.
Does he need to improve? Yes. Does Fitz need to get his act together and figure out how to coach this team to its potential? Yes.
Does Demos deserve the scorn he’s getting right now across the internet? No. But as always, it’s easy to say lots of things when all you’ve got looking back at you is a computer monitor.
I never call for heads, but there are 4 people that need to be blamed for todays loss, and Demos is one of them.
The other three are Fitz, McCall, and Hunter Bates.
That's more fair
What bothers me is when I’m on my way back into town from the stadium and I hear people asking things like, “Why is Demos even on the team?” or saying some really personal things about him. One of the first e-mails I got after getting home was a party invitation that started with, “Demos is worthless.”
If it had been a 25-yard touchdown pass that got intercepted to end the game, no one would have been saying things like that about Persa. Demos doesn’t deserve that kindof treatment.
Of course no one would say that about Persa
He’s been amazing this year. Demos has been consistently bad. One missed 45 yarder would be excusable, consistently missing extra points is not. Did anyone else see Demos celebrating after making his first PAT? That’s a joke. Those should be no-brainers. We have other kickers on the roster, it’s time to try them out. Demos has been given plenty of opportunities to prove he deserves the job, and he consistently fails.
P.S. That being said, this game was certainly not all his fault. The play calling was atrocious, we couldn’t catch a kick or punt, and the officiating was inexcusable. But let’s fix what we can, and one of those things is mixing up the depth chart.
I have a bigger issue with sending Demos out there than him missing the kick. It’s not reasonable to expect 95% of college kickers to make a 45 yd field goal.
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yes definitely
most college kickers aren’t going to hit a high % of 45+ yard field goals, I’m not sure what the national average is but I would be shocked if it’s higher than 67%.
Demos is obviously a problem, but the problems on this team run far far deeper, and anyone who spends all their time blaming him is just jumping on the bandwagon to bash him at this point.
This team has been getting owned on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball in Big Ten play. They can’t run the ball or stop the run, and to make matters worse, the coaches aren’t aware of this and aren’t adjusting to it. The offensive playcalling problem has been well-documented, and the defense was pathetic on Purdue’s winning touchdown drive, they knew the run was coming, knew Henry couldn’t pass worth a damn, and still couldn’t come close to stopping them. I could have run in that last Purdue touchdown.
You shouldn’t have to rely on your kicker making 45 yard field goals in order to win a home game against one of the Big Ten’s worst teams.
There is one thing that Stefan Demos is attending NU to do, and that is to kick a football accurately. This season, he hasn’t done that. It IS his fault when kicks get blocked. He needs to elevate more. Every one of his kicks is low low low, even on kickoffs. When it comes down to it, he missed two kicks he’s made in the past and left 6 points on the field. We would’ve won 23 to 20 if he makes those kicks. He needs to take blame, and there’s no use being an apologist for him.
That being said, another part of the blame goes on Fitz. He is the special teams coach. The special teams failed tonight. #($ING 3!!!! dropped kickoffs or punts. Unacceptable. Offsides on a #U%ING kickoff. Pathetic. Consistently poor kick returns. Suspect coverage at times. This tells me that Fitz, as great as he is, needs to hand the special teams to someone else.
Finally, the rest of this blame lies with Mick McCall. Since he’s been hired, he’s always been afraid of opening up the playbook. Last year vs. Eastern Michigan. This year vs. Minnesota and Purdue. We have a spread offense where we are good at throwing the ball like we run it. If I had my way, we would never have anyone line up in the backfield next to Persa. At least three times during this game I turned to my friend after 2 or 3 long-ish throws to Jeremy Ebert and said “This is what we should be doing all day.” But then I’d just swallow those words when we’d do the option to Schmidt on the outside. Twice in a row that play was called at one point! Three guesses what the result of the second one was.
Today was one of those games where I felt like I could make better play calls than McCall. I hate those because it just reminds me of how great we can be. Outback Bowl, where he called over 70 passes, and we put up over 500 yards through the air? WHY can’t we take a page out of that book every game? The very first option needs to be a pass, at least on every third down greater than a yard. Period.
At least now we’ve got two weeks for Fitz to instill the fear of God into them. #*($.
quote from Fitz after the game
“We’re going to have to respond. We’re going to have to respond the same way we respond after we have success,”
I hope not, we haven’t responded after a win at all this year…
Yeah and McCall was wide open at Bowling Green. Seems like he wants to keep a job, not make a name for himself.
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stat of the game
42 runs, 2.0 yds per run
41 passes, 7.4 yds per pass
I realize a number of the runs were actually sacks, but that’s still a series of bad play calls.
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We need a special teams coach
This game was exactly why. Three dropped kick returns, a blocked field goal and a missed field goal. Special teams are a major part of football, yet we don’t have a coach for them.
The coaching for NU was bad. Really bad. Coach Fitz is supposed to have smart, disciplined teams. However, they rack up costly penalties and McCall continues to call run plays even though we can’t run the ball.
Ugh. I hate this.
by WestsideBrandon on Oct 10, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions
A Team Loss
Rodger, your admonition at the outset of this forum is well placed. I have been harshly critical of our kicker in the past, but not this morning. A lot of poor performances all night long resulted in that last ditch effort to stay alive. #1 gave it his best shot, and yesterday it wasn’t good enough. Neither was the snap on the final kick good enough. Nor was the whole evening’s punt handling, run blocking…go back through the game and you’ll find plenty of shortcomings at virtually every position by our guys—-and certainly by their coaches.
Yesterday they gave one away. Good teams respond and regroup. TIme to get ready for Sparty.
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by Purple Flag on Saturday on Oct 10, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
i was at the game
and i have high seats. i can see everything, including every call by the ref. im not normally one to blame the refs, but there was some questionable calls. now do i think the refs were the only reason we lost?, no. they did play a part though. like when they stopped play to let purdue’s players get on the field, what was that?
NW got 3 very critical, generous spots on 3rd downs...
…with no measurements even by the refs, and you’re thinking YOU got hosed?
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by carmen_fanzone on Oct 10, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Stopping play
when the offense changes personnel, it is in the rulebook that the defense is to be allowed a chance to change their players as well (respond to what the offense is done). The referee is to allow the defense to do so, at his discretion. It only seems wrong because it is often not done, most refs abdicate their responsibility in such circumstances which is in violation of the rule – the most notable example being last week in the LSU-Tenn game when LSU ran a bunch of players on the field and Tenn tried to sub and had too many, in that instance, the ref was supposed to stand over the ball and give Tenn a chance to sub. Just because it’s a rule that is often incorrectly adhered to, that does not mean that the ref was wrong to do so. No-huddle, fast-snap teams like Northwestern (and many, many others) employ their fast pace, in part, to take advantage to many refs not propering enforcing the substitution rule.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I really need to start proof-reading
or SBNation needs an edit function to comments. Should read:
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…to take advantagetoof many refs notproperingproperly enforcing the substition rule.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Here's the stat that stands out to me...
Persa passed, what, 40-45 times, right? It seemed every time I looked, he was completing the ball for a first down. So what do we do? Start running the ball, and get a nominal gain at best. Our best run: called back because of a hold.
I will never fail to understand why coaches think they need “balance”. If throwing the ball is working, chuck it 70… 80 times a game. Why not? Besides, we use a lot of screens, which are essentially the same as a run.
This one hurts. Not as bad as some of the losses the basketball team had two years ago, but yeah… it hurts.
Not Demos Bashing
Just laying out the facts. His “body of work” this season is pathetic. I hold my breath on extra points. .. ON EXTRA POINTS!
Now I understand, at some point he WAS considered a decent kicker. But that position is seriously “mental”, and he has clearly lost that edge.
I’m suggesting a change there not because the alternative is going to be any better, but because the alternative might GET better with some experience. Demos is going nowhere other than into “life after football” at the end of this season. Time to start letting his replacement get reps. It probably won’t be any worse, and will help us in the long run.
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Of course no one would say that about Persa
He’s been amazing this year. Demos has been consistently bad. One missed 45 yarder would be excusable, consistently missing extra points is not. Did anyone else see Demos celebrating after making his first PAT? That’s a joke. Those should be no-brainers. We have other kickers on the roster, it’s time to try them out. Demos has been given plenty of opportunities to prove he deserves the job, and he consistently fails.
P.S. That being said, this game was certainly not all his fault. The play calling was atrocious, we couldn’t catch a kick or punt, and the officiating was inexcusable. But let’s fix what we can, and one of those things is mixing up the depth chart.
Sorry, this was supposed to be a reply to a specific comment
Reposted above
The difference in special teams last night
was far too apparent. I would advocate for a special teams coach. You can’t have punts dropped. Was it something with the lights against a night sky for a change? That should’ve been practiced. Was it a matter of confusion that Williams would take a step to his right and half-rugby the first shank? That shouldn’t happen. We’re simply better than what we showed.
Rodger’s absolutely right – Demos doesn’t deserve all that blame, and yes, missing extra points is inexcusable. It painfully reminds me of my days growing up watching the Gophers, when you never knew if Jason Giannini would hit a 50-yarder to win the game, or two-hop a shanked PAT into the snapper’s rear end. But Purdue provided an example last night of what special teams should look like. On PATs, the ball should be kicked so high in the air, there’s no question. 40+ yard field goals are a different matter, but Demos has shown that he can do that over the last season. He’s capable of it. I firmly believe that recommitting to technique and special teams can give us back these games.
There's a lot of blame to go around
especially that stupid roughing the passer penalty that pretty much sewed up the game nicely for the Boilermakers. The holding penalty was a killer and the play calling just angers me. We really need to just start putting teams away. You let teams stay close, you’re going to get bit and that’s what happened. As for Demos, no excuses. He was a preseason All-Big Ten pick in a couple publications. He hasn’t kicked like it. From my view in the endzone, it just seems like he lets his mechanics get sloppy and it sends everything out of whack. (Disclaimer: I’m not a kicker, just watch a lot of football) He just gets lazy with his kicks sometimes and they go all over. Dating back to the Outback Bowl game though, it’s getting very hard to take Demos side on anything. I know you need to show him some respect because he’s a senior and he’s paid his dues, but at the same time you need to think about the W’s too.
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a couple of big concerns:
1) the run defense is really bad. that’s two games in a row now where the defense knew the run was coming and still couldn’t stop it when necessary. especially vs Purdue facing a quarterback who is a very suspect passer. this was either a terrible job adjusting by the coaching staff or the personnel just isn’t very good, not sure which.
2) fitz’s continued conservative 4th down play calling. jeff already mentioned not going for it on 4th and 1 in Purdue territory, but I thought it was a big mistake running Demos out there to tie it at the end. His chances of making that kick weren’t much better than the chances of the offense picking up the first down if (in fact going for it may have had a better chance). and since a made field goal only ties it and leaves time on the clock, going for it has to be better.
very disappointing loss
devestating weekend
between this, cowboys losing, gb losing. ugh
AND i convinced my friend (and alumn) who lives in milwaukee to come down for the game and he got to see this shitshow. going to be hard to convince him to come down again for a long time.
Terrible Field Goal Unit
Football Outsiders published a list of every NCAA FBS team’s Field Goal Value Per Attempt. Northwestern ranks 84th at -.30 points per attempt. Yeah for losing value thanks to field goals!
Link: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/fei-ratings/2010/fei-guaranteed-three-points

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