Illinois 48, Northwestern 27: Postgame venting thread
Well, that sucked. Do your ranting here, whether it's to complain about the pitiful effort of the defense (500+ yards rushing, seriously?), the loser who brought a "Fire Demos" sign to Gameday (that's right, you are a loser. You spent a portion of your life attempting to embarrass a college kid on national television. I really really hope that wasn't an SoP reader, what a fucking embarrassing human being that guy was), or Pat Fitzgerald's moronic decision to punt on the Illinois 35 yard line. As RotoJeff so aptly put it:
… when we punted from the 35. That’s a surrender.
It was over ...
Vent.
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I hate Wrigley. I hate all offensive plays in the same direction. I hate publicity stunts that just increase our humiliation. I hate that this team gets worse and worse. I hate that we might limp into the pizza bowl and get whipped by a little-conference team.
Why am I watching this stupid game?
by calling all toasters on Nov 20, 2010 6:13 PM CST reply actions
Punting on 4th and 1...
When you’re down 10 and haven’t been able to stop the other team at all is stupid. I’m sorry. I love Pat Fitzgerald and everything he’s done for this program. But that was stupid. Actually, it’s stupid no matter what. Run the QB sneak, get the first down… every single time. Doesn’t matter the situation.
One other thing of note: is anyone else afraid to picture what Wisconsin’s running game is going to do to us next week? I shudder at the thought.
I was considering adding that to my post. terrible decision. fitzgerald has zero clue what to do on 4th down, he’s way way way too conservative always.
“Way way way too conservative always”??
Don’t you remember the ending of the Outback Bowl earlier this year against Auburn? Fake field goal trying to win the game.
he had no kicker
and had to go for it. that was the most obvious go for the win situation of all time.
Damn that sucked
I just walked home from the game. Time to vent. Dunsmore and Ebert were barely used. WTF? The illini had a fire in the belly as they jumped out of the gate. We better have that next week.
by LincolnParkWildcat on Nov 20, 2010 6:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Should we be concerned?
That our line play has been so mediocre this year against Big Ten teams. It looks a lot worse than previous years, but Persa has sort of masked the problems by taking off and gaining distance on the ground.
Essentially, we seem to have regressed significantly in terms of being able to provide time in the pocket and challenge opposing rush efforts.
I don’t even know what to say about the defensive effort. We gave up 500+ yards on the ground. That’s just unfathomable.
by zeek55 on Nov 20, 2010 6:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I’m still not sure what to say exactly about this game. Then again, I’ll still working on regaining sobriety.
I think it’s clear that both lines need a lot of help. I don’t know if it’s a matter of recruiting or coaching, but it was a glaring problem in this game. (It also shows how much Persa makes up for the deficiencies in the O-line.) This is something we really need to address.
After watching Wisconsin throw on exactly one drive in the second half of their game against Michigan… we’re going to get eaten alive.
well, as I've posted elsewhere
We seemed really surprised that Illinois wanted to run the ball (really? Do we do any self scouting?), and decided that the gameplans we’ve used the first ten weeks would work just fine, even if we didn’t have Dan Persa. Not a single person associated with the program should be proud after today.
As far as the decision to punt on 4th and 1- I’ve already accepted that Fitz, for all his talents, is a terrible game manager. If this didn’t become clear after Michigan State, it never will. So I’ve just accepted that fact and decided to move on.
by buckyor on Nov 20, 2010 6:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm trying to figure out
Why the defense played flat for most of the game. I thought it was pretty obvious that the game was going to be on their shoulders and that they would need to step up in order to win. I saw none of that… we definitely deserved to lose this one.
Still… why is it that with such a fiery personality that Fitz can have on the sideline, we don’t play inspired in at least one game every season?
Already used it up against Iowa
Our defense just looked outgunned and outcoached (early on) out there. While we did make some adjustments, we were unable to tackle after the second quarter, so they still moved the ball with relative ease and were able to grind us out.
To me this is the opposite of the Penn State game where we sort of just gave up in the 3rd and 4th quarters. They just have that much more talent at the line and were able to push us around to grind it out.
We can’t win games like that, since we don’t have a physical football team in the trenches.
W's
Watkins did not lose this game
Demos was more than fine
Illini have better line athletes. Just wait until the W Badgers – oh brother
Zook and Fitz weren’t very friendly after the game
No more gimicks. Build a better Ryan Field environment
Some of our players showed, but Illinois wanted it more
I’m worried about Bowl slotting now!!!
TicketCity
Dallas is where we’re going. There’s no way we can get picked above unless we somehow beat Wisconsin next week.
It’s for the best though, since it’s easily accessible for our fans, and we’ll be on ESPNU so it will be overshadowed by the other Big Ten bowls at the same time slot. We already got all the publicity we needed this year with this Wrigley game.
Now, we just need to focus on getting ready for Dallas and winning the bowl game. We can still have an 8 win season.
Get more time for our Fresh and Sophs
Bowl Game is so important. Dallas sounds fine. Thank goodness we beat Iowa.
I thought Purdue was going to be Mich State – shucks. Sick of the Buckeyes too.
Let’s spoil Brett B’s season and Bucky.
by Don Eisenhauer on Nov 20, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
probably good purdue choked
otherwise, they could beat Indiana, become bowl eligible, and we’d be in danger of falling to the Pizza Pizza Bowl in Detroit.
Lets win a bowl game this year
Perhaps a crappy bowl means we play an easier team.
by LincolnParkWildcat on Nov 20, 2010 7:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not so fast my friend.
We won’t go to Dallas unless the league gets a second BCS bid. Otherwise Dallas will take Michigan and its 110,000 horde or Illinois that just killed us and we go to Detroit (wher we possibly get hammered by Northern Illinois).
by subwayalum90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
the Big Ten
is a near lock for 2 BCS bids. As long as Ohio State beats MIchigan at home (and they’ll be heavy favorites to do so), then the Buckeyes will be in a BCS bowl somewhere. OSU wins the conference if we beat Wisconsin, but then we’ll be 8-4 and in no danger of playing in Detroit. And if Ohio State loses, and both MSU and Wisconsin win, then MSU goes to the Rose Bowl and Wisconsin will almost certainly get a BCS at-large bid somewhere.
The only way we risk falling to Detroit is if both Michigan State and Ohio State lose, and we lose to Wisconsin.
any football experts explain what we did well in the 2nd quarter?
We really did a better job defensively in the second quarter. IL didn’t score any touchdowns, and we were getting into the backfield a lot.
From an Xs and Os standpoint, does anyone understand what we were doing well then? How were we able to get through that line? And why did that stop happening? I know missed tackles were a huge factor, as they were in the PSU game.
How does Northwestern’s d-line improve? Obviously bigger/faster recruits is a key part, but sparing that, what specifically can we do to improve our D-line play?
I thought Watkins had an amazing throw that got caught at about the 3 yard line when it was 24-17 IL. He definitely has a stronger arm than Persa. This possibly is a very dumb idea, but what about using Evan as the QB at times next year, and Persa as an RB/Wingback on those plays? Just a thought.
We didn't look prepared for their running game in the first quarter.
They saw the tape of our previous games and must have realized that we wouldn’t be able to prevent them from making holes in our defensive line and putting our LBs in the right place. We just got outschemed in the first quarter.
After that, we adjusted to it and knew where to be to make the tackles, but we didn’t make them as well as we needed to or they were able to keep pushing.
There’s really nothing much we could have done better other than tackling after the first quarter because our players were mostly in the right place to make the play.
Illini helped us out a little in the 2nd quarter. Threw on first down on one drive, missed a chippie FG on another. Remember when we won a game in Champaign without throwing in the second half? They could have won this game without throwing a single pass. Anytime they didn’t give it to LeShoure or Ford, they were doing us a favor.
There's really nothing we can do except work on tackling.
After the first quarter, we just weren’t physical enough to bring them down or we were not tackling well form-wise. We were trying to pull them down by their jerseys instead of wrapping them up or tripping up their legs when we were getting burned.
This game made it really apparent that we’ve lost a lot of playmakers on defense over the past 2 years, and we haven’t replaced them. That’s really worrisome for next year…
I hope we retire the Wrigley idea
I was watching Game Day from the comfort of my bed this morning and saw the “Fire Demos” sign. For as much as I’ve dissed the guy on this blog, I’d never put a sign like that on television. Loretta8 was correct, that was a low class move.
My seats sucked at Wrigley, and I’m someone with a good amount of Wildcat points. My $150 seats were overpriced based upon the location and view of the field. Wrigley is a bad omen for the Cubs, and anyone who thought it was going to be something amazing for the Wildcats was only fooling themselves. I saw very few plays unfold and couldn’t tell what happened most of the time. My seats in Ryan Field are kick-ass and I have no blind spots to the field…….today I had mostly blind spots to the field.
Our defense looked horrible today. With Watkins getting his first start, the defense needed to shut down the Illini to keep us in the game, and as we all know that never happened. After the Penn State game, Fitz said the defense missed 27 tackles……I wonder how many there were today.
Starting the season, I knew our running game was weak but I never expected this level of inconsistency out of our defense.
Well your wish should be granted.
Due to the field restrictions, this seems to be a one time thing. Plus, we got all of the benefits this time in terms of publicity and increased ticket sales. We won’t get that next time, so there’s no point to pulling a gimmick like this again. We’re probably going to renovate the stadium and then focus on the product on the field.
As for the defense, we just underestimated the losses from last two years to the NFL or graduation; we replaced them with talent that didn’t measure up.
This is the first true power running team that we’ve faced this year with all of its skill players in the running game. We don’t have the playmakers at the defensive line or linebacker position to bring them down.
too many Illini in the stands
Also, for a game where the tickets were supposed to be controlled by the Wildcats, I was amazed at how many Illini jerseys I saw inside the park. A lot of season ticket holders resold seats on Stubhub or to ticket brokers……..way too many Illini in that park today.
Still not as many
as I would have thought.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
I honestly am not that upset
Perhaps it’s because I was pulled away and couldn’t watch the 4th, but I don’t feel that bad about today. The offense did ok under the circumstances, especially running the ball, averaging 6.8 yds/attempt. Turnovers are obviously bad. The defense was less good obviously.
I guess once I started thinking 6 win season, everything else seems like a gift.
Big picture I think this was a great day for Northwestern football. Having Gameday and all the exposure from Wrigley was a huge boost whose effects will be felt for some time.
in true NU fashion
this give me slight confidence in our ability to beat Wisconsin. What would be more NU than laying an egg at Wrigley against Illinois and then going out and squeaking out a win at Camp Randell?
It would be very NU
unfortunately, I don’t think the egg laying was just this game… I think it was something that has been going on all season, but because we hadn’t faced a team who had to take advantage of it yet it wasn’t an issue…
Off Tackle Empire - Ruling on the Big Ten since 2008.
lots of good points
I was at the game near the “scoring endzone” in row 1 (actually fourth row).
My thoughts: Wrigley is not a good football venue, but I am glad they did it once for exposure.
Defense: No tackling was a big problem. How did NU stop MSU rushing and not Illinois? Where is coach Hank on this? Part of it seemed to be emotion. I remember in the 2nd quarter on a 3rd and 3 or so we stopped em and the NU sideline had no reaction. It was a big play at the time. I find it odd that Fitz’ emotion doesn’t carry to the team. Where is the leader on NU’s defense? Was Wooton the emotional leader? Where is Davie, Williams or whomever to pick up that torch?
Offense: If you burn Colter’s redshirt, use him more… even in the second half. And regardless, use the hurry up offense more, it seemed like it was working.
Touch loss and I see no way we beat UW unless we play with emotion and tackle and get breaks.
Defensive questions.
There was no doubt that the defense was ill prepared for the first quarter. The offensive line and fullbacks delivered ridiculous lateral blocks causing 20 foot holes in the defense. This allowed many early 30-40 yard rushes. Bob Davie made a totally out of character short sighted comment at the end of the game. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm) He said that the Wildcats were missing Persa, but that Persa didn’t play defense. NU’s time of possession was 18 minutes. Without Persa’s 3rd down magic, Illinois had the opportunity to run the ball 70 times. That’s correct 70 times. There were a few breakdowns later leading to big gains but any defense that stays out for over 40 minutes will get rolled. On the bright side, I thought we had spectacular secondary coverage. Mabin broke up quite a few passes, but unfortunately made quite a few touchdown saving run stops.
We need some serious improvements on offense to stand a chance against the Badgers. If the Badgers offense stays on the field for 45 minutes, we are toast. Watkins did demonstrate that he had quite a powerful arm. His accuracy needs work. I am particularly upset that the fakeevanwatkins twitter feed has dried up after the game. Colter should get more snaps just to give the announcers an opportunity to talk about the wildcat formation.
by 1998WILDCAT on Nov 21, 2010 11:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
And another +1 to this...
Persa = better time of possession to Northwestern thru sustained drives = a more rested Northwestern defense that maybe makes some tackles to stop some Illinois drives.
Watkins was okay for a redshirt freshmen making his first start in a historic venue that hadn’t seen football for 40 years (and a college game in 72 years)…..but he’s no Dan Persa, at least not yet. If you don’t think Persa would have made a HUGE difference in this game, you’re seriously misinformed (and I include Zook in that, with his “how did we do last year without Martez Wilson” comment….I’ve seen Martez Wilson play, and Martez Wilson, sir, is no Dan Persa).
umm
so that sucked. i was so pumped for the game and then i realised how dumb this was. i was behind the endzone as a season ticket holder. and the one they were going towards. but i have to say, i couldnt see a thing. it was the worst.
I had the same experience
…I posted earlier regarding seats. I have pretty good Wildcat points and placed my order back in May with my season ticket renewal, and I was by the west endzone, but had no perspective of the field.
One of my friends (an Iowa alum, no less) was invited to the game on a work outing and had 50 yard line seats. Another friend (an Illini alum) got a ticket through his father-in-law, who has no affiliation with either school but is a Cubs season ticket holder…..his seats were 50 yard line in the first few rows of the upper deck and he had a great view of the field.
Some of the media hype about people on the east side of the stadium getting ripped off by the single end zone decision was overblown. Perhaps I’m biased since I was on the west side and didn’t like my seats.
I’ve had other issues with tickets and am beginning to wonder if NU is falling short in taking care of their season ticket holders who stand by this team and provide the most support. I’m sure Jim Phillips and the ticket office will hear a lot of complaining over the game. But I think they need to do a better job of looking out after their existing fan base.
maybe
they should work on filling ryan field seats with purple before they conquer baseball fields
by chicagosport on Nov 21, 2010 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
False choice
The Wrigley experiment was designed to GET people to buy football season tickets (and it worked fantastically, given the 50%+ increase in tickets sold/attendance this season across all games)….
Don’t worry, we’ll be back in Ryan Field for every game next season…but Wrigley succeeded in getting people to think/talk about NU football and/or buy season tickets.
agreed
If this just would have been our turn to host the annual NU/Illinois matchup in Evanston, it would have gone completely unnoticed, with very few Illini making it out fo the game. The game at Wrigley brought a lot of attention and money to the program. When you factor in the filled rooftops, in addition to the 41,058 inside Wrigley, I think you are looking at close to 45,000 or more at the game. So intellectually, I totally understand what NU was trying to accomplish and want to see our team get the attention. In that regard it was a complete success.
Since I didn’t grow up in Chicago, I’ve never gotten the whole “Wrigley mystique” and think the place has seen better days and should be replaced. I think there are much better sports venues throughout the country for both baseball and football. While I understood what NU was trying to do (and was going to support my team no matter what) I was never excited about having the game there. Sitting through a game where I couldn’t see the plays only fed into my bias.
Hopefully all of those new season ticketholders who came in this year will stick around for a while.
Go ’CATS
I spent way too much money this weekend
between buying tickets for my brother and dad for Christmas gifts, stuff for me, and the Touchdown at Wrigley thing today for me to get pissed off at this game. Did the second half suck? You bet your sweet bippy it did. First half though was about as great as any football experience I’ve ever had, pro or college. I feel bad for the guy above me since we had similar seats to him and I’ve only had season tickets for 2 seasons now. If the game happened at Ryan Field or Memorial Stadium, I’d be a little more defensive since I do not like U of I at all. However, I’ve waited too long and spent too much money to let the game affect my weekend. Wrigley home teams just don’t win. That’s just how it is. Cubs suck there. The Blackhawks and the WIldcats definitely didn’t impress in their games. We’ll move on. Let’s just hope the NU brass listen to all of you who have been season ticket holders for a long time who are obviously upset.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
just realized
that stupid “tied or leading at some point in the second half” streak finally ended.
I had a great time.
Maybe I’m the minority, but despite the brutal/crappy loss where our defense and O line plays like they don’t care (or just can’t) and we are made painfully aware how much of an MVP Persa is, this was one of the more exciting NU athletic events I’ve ever been to.
I’ve been to the bowl games and that’s always a great time, but there was something very unique and almost magical about seeing ESPN in front of a purple-tinted Wrigley Field and seeing purple-clad fans all over Wrigleyville and then the banners with NU players hanging inside the stadium.
Sure the views weren’t great and the ridiculousness of playing toward only one end zone made this game problematic…thus making it unlikely this will ever happen again…but doesn’t that also make it that much cooler. This was a singular event in college football history and we got to witness (some of) it!
Lastly, and here’s what really matters. Northwestern came to Chicago and people noticed. I spent four years in college there pretty recently and even though I no longer live there, I go back relatively often. Here’s an anecdote for you guys:
Earlier this year, I came back for a wedding and went up to Wrigleyville to grab some beers with friends. I didn’t have time to go to Evanston, but I wanted to try and pick up some new NU gear…so I went to about 5 of the different (huge) sports gear stores all around Wrigley and kept asking if they had ANYTHING in purple…no go. I was baffled that a school mere minutes away from this American sports hub (and a member of the premier college football conference of the Midwest) somehow didn’t have anything to offer a sports fan at Wrigley…well, after this weekend, I am CONFIDENT I will be able to find an NU hat, at the very least, when I go back to Wrigley…why?
Because we finally made Chicago notice us.
That’s what it was always about. We can complain about the flaws of our team all we want, but as fans of NU football, we know there’s more than one challenge that we face in building an awesomely winning program and guess what? One of the basic things a team needs is people who care and as the die-hard fans of the team who will never walk away from the team, it’s our responsibility to understand that sacrifices have to be made in order to build our fanbase and, man, I saw more people care about NU this weekend than I have since I started following the team. Can any one deny that?
Let’s lay off the bitching and embrace what this game was. An imperfect, but hugely creative attempt and making NU relevant in one of the largest sports markets in America and I think, in that sense, we kicked ass. Now let’s see what we can do about not getting gashed by the Badgers.
GO CATS.
Soldier Field Next?
Yeah. Game result sucked. I actually think the Cats had a better chance to beat The Zookers at Ryan more than Wrigley – Either the MN loss or the venue woke up the Illini.
SCORE radio had people talking Monday morning about the possibility of future games played at Soldier Field – which makes more sense than Wrigley IMO.
Re: WI … I have a bad feeling about this – Bielama has to still be smarting after the WI loss to NU last year – and I don’t get the impression he forgets or forgives. He is after all, a Buckin’ Fadger.
Now if Fitz could somehow convince them to wear Black & Gold…
Mixed feelings
Could not agree more re the “Fire Demos” sign. Assuming that was a student, I can’t believe others didn’t pressure him/her into leaving that one back at the dorms. Incredibly poor taste and the wrong message to send. Loser is one of more than a few words that come to mind.
As for the rest … mostly I’m upset about the way the team played, and that could easily have happened at Dyche Stadium just as easily as it did at Wrigley Field. The people who are letting that cloud their view of playing at Wrigley, or are complaining about the little things (single direction, too many Illini fans, etc.) are missing the bigger picture. That was an awesome atmosphere, the closest thing to a bowl game I’ve ever seen for a regular season NU game. I had a blast and would definitely love to see them host another game there. Maybe the prospect of NU-ND at Wrigley would be enough to entice Notre Dame back onto the NU schedule??
Strange game to watch
But I was lured in by the Wrigley experiment. Glad you guys did it, but I can’t see it happening again—just too crazy. I do wish the guy with the pick-6 would have run into the ivy covered plastic tarp walls and pretended to get knocked out. That would have made the organizers soil their drawers.
Was hoping you guys did well this year. Gained a lot of respect for you after the Outback Bowl in January. Every so often, I have to get up in the middle of the night and check under my bed, making sure Mike Kafka isn’t there throwing for 78 pass attempts.
An Auburn victory in Tuscaloosa, a SEC championship AND a national championship are defintely NOT part of 'The Process'.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 22, 2010 5:53 PM CST reply actions

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