The Carmody Situation (part 2)
It's been a couple days since I wrote a 3,000+ word summary of Carmody's tenure at Northwestern, so it's high time I actually gave my own opinion on the matter. As an aside, that summary wasn't supposed to be that long, but reading some old box scores got me angry and I felt compelled to rant for a while. If anyone actually read that entire thing, kudos to you. To summarize, Carmody came into an awful situation and showed solid improvement in his first two years. But in his third year he took a big step back, and he followed that with 3 straight years of mediocrity. Then the wheels completely fell off and he had two straight awful seasons before bouncing back with NIT appearances each of the last two years.
Judging solely from that track record, you'd conclude that the past two seasons were a fluke and there's no reason to expect him to ever get any better than the NIT. But there's a key reason for the improvement of the past two seasons: recruiting. Here's what I wrote earlier this season in a Q&A with the excellent Wisconsin blog Bucky's 5th Quarter:
4) It wasn't so long ago when fans wanted Bill Carmody out. Now the Cats have a shot at the NCAA Tournament and things look real good for next season. What changed in his recruiting/coaching?
Loretta8: The biggest change by far is that he's finally recruiting Big Ten caliber talent. Some of his past teams couldn't have won with Red Auerbach coaching them, as Northwestern wasn't bringing in any good players. When Tim Doyle has to play 30+ minutes a night you're going to have trouble winning in the Patriot League, never mind the Big Ten. But now it seems he's getting at least one good player a season, and Northwestern is finally competitive. Assistant coach and former player Tavaras Hardy has had a lot to do with the improved recruiting, but Carmody definitely deserves credit as well
The biggest thing that struck me when looking back on Carmody's past teams was just how bad the rosters were. Most of the good players he had in the early part of the decade were recruited by previous coach Kevin O'Neill, including the best player of the Carmody era, Jitim Young (Young never played for O'Neill but I'm almost positive he signed with NU before Carmody got there, I could be wrong though). Aside from his first recruit for 2001-02, Vedran Vukusic, Carmody did not bring in one guy who was ever even considered for All-Big Ten honors until he landed Kevin Coble for the 2006-07 season. In between there are countless terrible Euros, a couple of decent foreign imports in T.J. Parker and Mohamed Hachad, and numerous Americans who weren't even close to Big Ten caliber players (Tim Doyle, Vince Scott, Jason Okrzesik, Evan Seacat, Sterling Williams, Michael Jenkins, etc.). But recruiting has now picked up, starting with a solid role player in Craig Moore, continuing with Coble, and sustaining the momentum with Juice Thompson, John Shurna, Drew Crawford, and even Luka Mirkovic, whom I consider to be the best center Carmody has recruited (no seriously, who's better? Vince Scott? Davor Duvancic?). And with the highest rated recruit of all (well, excluding the original Michael Thompson) Jershon Cobb coming in next year, he's shown no signs of slowing down.
As I mentioned earlier, Tavaras Hardy is a big reason for the improved recruiting, but Carmody has to get a lot of the credit as well. I've seen a few NU fans argue that it's all because of Hardy and that without him the 'Cats wouldn't have landed any of the aforementioned good recruits. Unless those people were secretly following Hardy around on his recruiting visits, I don't know how one could reach that conclusion. Look, while Hardy has helped push things over the top, Carmody is still the man in charge and therefore is responsible for what happens under him. It's pretty typical for power conference programs to have one assistant coach specifically in charge of recruiting; that assistant can make trips to scout these kids during the season while the head coach stays at home and works with the current roster. So Carmody deserves credit for the improved recruiting as it is happening under his watch. If Hardy were to get in trouble in future seasons for breaking NCAA rules in recruiting, would the people refusing to give Carmody credit now completely absolve him from any blame then? No, of course they wouldn't, they'd accurately point out that violations occurred under his watch and that he's responsible. You can't have it both ways.
Onto Carmody's offensive and defensive strategies, namely the Princeton offense and various zone defenses. While some fans criticize his offense, personally I think it's fine. The reason for all the debate about the Princeton offense is that the media, usually in the form of announcers calling NU games, constantly talk about how Carmody is some kind of offensive genius and that his Princeton offense is incredibly difficult to defend. Since that's a wild exaggeration, fans get upset, but some go too far in the opposite direction and conclude it's a terrible offensive strategy. Look, the reality lies in the middle. The Princeton offense is just one of many different offenses that can be successful at the college level. When NU had a crappy offensive players, it didn't work, and the last two years, when the 'Cats have had good offensive players like the last two years, it's worked (49th in offense last year, 34th this year according to KenPom). And next season, when they make the huge offensive upgrade of replacing Jeremy Nash with Kevin Coble, it should get better. So the offense isn't a problem.
As for the defense, it sucked this year. While part of the issue was the lack of depth, as the defense got a lot worse as the year went on, there was absolutely no reason for the 'Cats to rank last by a wide margin in defense during Big Ten play. The gimmicky extended 1-3-1 drew the most criticism, but the problems ran far deeper than that. When Carmody tried to play man to man, it was usually a disaster, as his players seemed to lack the basic fundamentals necessary to successfully play team defense. It's highly questionable whether this will improve next year; while the depth problem should be solved, the team's best defender in Nash is gone, and is being replaced by the defensively challenged Kevin Coble. So I'm extremely concerned about this problem going forward. Assuming the current roster remains intact for next season, defense is the only thing that will keep Northwestern out of the NCAAs, as their offense will certainly be good enough.
So what should AD Jim Phillips do with Carmody this off-season? I say don't give him an extension and see if he can finally take Northwestern to the NCAA tournament. If he'd just completed his third year at the school, then absolutely give him an extension with the improvement that he's shown. But this was his 10th year; we can't ignore all the mediocre to awful years in the middle of this decade. The last two years, he's been pretty close to the NCAA tournament. In 2008-09, they were 2 wins away, and last year they were 3-4 wins away, but almost certainly would have been closer if healthy. While I've often been critical of Carmody's subsititution patterns and game management, next year's team has NCAA tournament caliber talent for the first time in his tenure, so let's give him one last chance to take them there. Unless there's a proven coach ready and willing to step in, firing him now makes no sense to me, especially since that could upset some key players and lead to them transferring. On the other hand, extending his contract seems ridiculous; he just doesn't have enough of a track record to warrant it.
What do other people think? I'm making my first ever Sippin' On Purple poll, very curious to see what the masses have to say, so please comment early and often. Some perspective from fans of other Big Ten teams would be great as well.
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Is there a middle option?
Like, say, a quick one year extension right now that would carry him through the 2011-12 season? Because I don’t want our recruiting (minimally successful as it may be) to suffer due to a perception amongst recruits that Carmody might be out the door following next year if the Cats don’t go to the NCAAs….which is pretty much what would happen if we don’t extend him now.
I agree, though — I think Carmody is a good coach. He’s finally figured out the talent that he needs/can get, and what we’re seeing now is what NU is truly capable of. Remember, the past 2 years have arguably been two of the toughest years in the conference since the late 80s/early 90s heyday….so to have NIT teams in a tough conference is a pretty big accomplishment.
Scheduling Sidebar (Longish Post)
Much the like the fellow NU commenter on here that rages against the tourney-expansion, I have my own bugaboo – our scheduling under Carmody. We’ve consistently scheduled an array of cupcakes in the non-conference schedule. While that you can argue that we caught some bad luck in that ND and Stanford weren’t as good as they have been in previous years, I don’t think that completely absolves Carmody and the NU administration. We had just one non-conference road game, and that was forced upon us in the BT-ACC challenge.
Why am I taking the whip to Seattle Slew (does he become Seattle Slain after passing on?) on this issue? One, it left us woefully unprepared for Big Ten road games. Two, in a year where we had some buzz about going to the tournament, that buzz was really false hope once you did the math, as so ably demonstrated by Lunardi et al. Three, I think that Carmody has some influence on who we schedule. The schedule was set well before Coble’s injury – remember, this season was supposed to be our year.
For all its faults, the tourney selection committee does a better job of looking at resumes than they have in the past. If you go out and feast on a steady diet of MEAC and Great West teams, you get punished. If we’re supposed to get behind Carmody for one or more seasons in a push for our first tournament, and “expect victory,” then he and the NU Athletics Dept. have to reciprocate and give us a worthy schedule.
I don’t think this past season was our best team, and I don’t think that the Big Ten is any tougher top-to-bottom now than it was in the 90’s (Fab Five, Jim Jackson, Big Dog, Steve Smith, Calbert Cheaney, Acie Earl – just checking to see if anyone is still reading). Compare this team to, say, the one that beat DePaul in a home NIT game and then lost a nailbiter, also at home, to a Brian Grant-led Xavier squad. Or to the Evan Eschmeyer-decade.
Give Carmody credit for raising the expectations bar. Let’s hope that he can achieve those expectations. I grok Chad’s point about the effect of a non-extension, but at the same time, hey, 10 years is 10 years. Most recruits should be able to see the writing on the wall if we get off to a slow start, and others might question why we haven’t made a change after such a long tenure. So that’s a bit of a double-edged sword.
So, put me in the one-more-year uber allies group.
totally agreed on the schedule. I’m not even asking for playing top 10 teams, just stop playing so many absolutely awful teams. Play some middle of the pack Valley, Atlantic 10 or WCC teams, I’m sure those schools would jump at the chance to play against a Big Ten opponent.
and LOL at Acie Earl, I remember him dropping 40 on the Celtics when I was a kid and crying myself to sleep. seriously that guy had 40 in an NBA game, so humiliating. I blame ML Carr.
Scheduling
I, too, would like to see our nonconference schedule beefed up somewhat next season, but I wonder if our athletic department has instilled a philosophy of scheduling cupcakes in order to beef up our win totals. I have no evidence this is occurring with basketball, but if you look at our football schedules in recent years, they’ve been just as soft. The argument in football is that you need six wins to make a bowl game, and starting off the season 4-0 in nonconference play sets the bar lower for conference play. Build up a few years in a row of 8+ win seasons, and now you’ve got recruiting momentum and national attention. I don’t know if I completely agree with that theory, but that’s been the official justification for our football scheduling.
So, might the same apply to basketball? Rack up some nice-looking win totals and gain some postseason exposure, both of which help with recruiting. Again, I don’t know if this is a deliberate decision by our athletic department, but I do wonder why our football and basketball scheduling has been less than inspiring the last few years.
The problem
The problem is that strength of schedule is taken in to account by the NCAA tournament committee, while bowl organziers could care less about SoS. I’m not sure racking up nice win totals helps in recruiting when you still can’t make the NCAA’s or advance far in the NIT.
I’m generally one of those who has been wanting to get rid of Carmody for the last several years, but I voted to keep him on for the final year of his contract to see if he can finally get us over the hump. I absolutely cannot see giving him an extension at this point; he’s done nothing in ten years to justify one, and has been given way more time than necessary to build a program. I don’t buy the concerns about having a lame-duck coach; in college basketball today, pretty much every coach is a phone call away from another job, so I think the upside of an extension is overstated. (The downside, of course, is that we could be saddled with him for another 3-5 years). That said, I do think his teams have been better the last two seasons, and while I’m not as optimistic as most about our chances next season, I think it’s worth the chance to keep him on through the end of his contract. I also like the message it sends to the sort of kids want to recruit that NU will live up toit’s end of the deal.
So yeah, let him coach this next aeason. If we get to the NCAAs, then I think he’s justified a new deal. If not- well, maybe there’ll be a job opening in Ithaca soon.

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