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Seton Hall Pirates vs. Northwestern Wildcats Charleston Classic Championship Preview

Stop switching sports, guys! It makes me confused and when I get confused I get sad :(

Anyway, we'll deal with Northwestern's victory over Minnesota and bowling/lack thereof/Michigan State some other day - most likely tomorrow! - but for now we are faced with the Seton Hall Pirates, which is another one of those colleges in New Jersey. To get a quick glimpse of their team, go to the delightfully named South Orange Juice, or read this post, or do both, or fight a pirate to the death and see if you beat him, but like an old-timey one, not one of the scary Somalian ones what with the M4's. 

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Are they good?: More or less. The Pirates appear to have all the trappings of a lower-tier Big East squad, as usual, evident in their easy dispatching of VCU and St. Joseph's. However, they needed a last-second shot to send a game against St. Francis (NY) - who you remember from a) gleefully trouncing them last year and b) NEVER MADE THE TOURNEY CLUB OG STATUS - into overtime. (They won.) Last year, Seton Hall was pretty mediocre, clocking in as the 12th team in a conference that sent 11 to the tournament finishing at 13-18 but managing to confuse the hell out of everybody by going into the Carrier Dome and blowing out Syracuse, 90-68. That said, they lose their two leading scorers in Jeremy Hazell and Jeff Robinson.

Who they got?: Let's focus on this team's two senior stars, both of whom have kind of exploded: Herb Pope is a very talented player at the power forward spot. The 6-foot-8 former New Mexico State player averaged a double-double as a sophomore and is back at it again, putting up a really shocking 19.3 and 12.3 per game. He's a nasty rebounder, but appears to suffer from an acute strain of Mbakwe, as he went to the line a team-high 115 times last year but only converted on 54.8 percent of his freebies, keeping his scoring average in the single digits. (He appears to have worked out some kinks thus far, hitting at a 70.8 percent clip.) The team's leading scorer though is currently Jordan Theodore, the 6-foot-nothing guard who hit the aforementioned buzzer-beater against St. Francis. Theodore has not only put the team's scoring load on his back, averaging 21 points a game, but is also pretty skilled at distributing. Against St. Joseph's, the point guard nearly threw up a triple-double, putting up 18 - his first dip under 20 points in three outings - 10 assists, and seven rebounds.

What are they good at?: Defense. Last year, opposing offenses put up a paltry 89.3 points per 100 possessions against the Hallsmen, as I've decided to call them, the 13th-best figure in the country. They locked down the perimeter, holding opponents to 31.4 percent shooting from deep. This appears to have tailed off a bit, perhaps with the loss of Hazell - now opponents are shooting 36.9 percent on the young season - but they're still a well-above average defensive squad, rarely if ever sending opponents to the line.

What are they bad at?: Shooting ain't their strong suit. 1-for-13 from deep against St. Francis - if you were wondering why they nearly lost - then 4-for-17 against VCU. The only thing the Hall Monitors got goin for them offensively is they rarely turn the ball over, everything else is yikes-y. 

Us and them: NU holds a 4-2 all-time series lead over them dread Pirates, with the last appearance a mind-altering 44-42 game in 2005 in the presumably empty-as-all-hell Izod Center climaxing with a thrilling Mohammad Hachad game-winning layup. If you remember this game, give yourself a pat on the back on your way out of rehab today.

What's the worst state in the union? All things told, probably Arizona, but I see what you're getting at here, Bold-Faced Questions-Asker Guy. My disdain for the state of New Jersey cannot be contained by words and I think the world would be better served by a gigantic fun bridge connecting New York and Philadelphia. Stop taking the PATH train into my city and acting like you belong and then turning around like you pretend you enjoy being from 75 minutes away from my city, you miserable wretches.

Is there a Seton Hall?: Not that I can tell. It's named after the first American-born saint, St. Elizabeth Ann Seton - in case you're wondering, she cured one person of cancer, one of leukemia, one of encephalitis, thus, saint - I think there's no such hall on campus, though. My initial research, which is composed of me lying, indicates that Seton Hall is a combo name meant to honor St. Seton and blue-eyed soul singer Daryl Hall.

Difference between the amount of times Seton Hall has been to the NCAA Tournament and the amount of times we have: Nine, most recently in 2006. The Hall is responsible for Bill Raftery being noteworthy besides the announcing gig and, well, nobody really great has ever played there, apologies to Samuel Dalembert and the unrelated Griffin pairing of Eddie - RIP, Eddie - and Adrian.

How can NU win?: NU won't win by shooting threes, Seton Hall is too good at defending the perimeter for that to work. Drew Crawford off the dribble has looked spectacular the past two games, and John Shurna can do it too. St. Joseph's Carl Jones just put up 38 points on Seton Hall by draining from deep - four of six - getting to the line - 11 shots - and connecting from the field - eight of 11 from inside the arc. Both Shurna and Crawford have shown this tournament they can take over a game, if NU's going to win, it's going to take a very good individual game from one or both. On defense, this team has broad-side-of-a-barn-jokes to be made about them, and the 1-3-1 should familiarize them with the sound of balls hitting iron very quickly.

Should NU win?: Yeah. Winning this tournament would be pretty dope, and although Seton Hall is a nice squad defensively, we've got talent. 

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I think your underestimating this team

and hopefully you will realize that tonight

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by seton hall and steelers on Nov 20, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions  

I think.....

…you’re missing an apostrophe and an “e” in your post. Hopefully, you will realize that before you post again.

by Chadnudj on Nov 20, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Just kidding....

….feel free to post. But expect ridicule for grammar errors, Jersey.

by Chadnudj on Nov 20, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought this team would be 2-1 in this tournament.

But, after seeing the 1st game and reading all about the second, I think NU is playing tough ball right now.

I say NU 68-SH 63.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Nov 20, 2011 2:33 PM CST reply actions  

I can think of at least twenty states

worse than Arizona.

Dennis Green won Big Ten Coach of the Year. Pat Fitzgerald hasn't. Therefore, D-Green > Fitz. QED, motherf***ers.

by Foxhole Atheist on Nov 20, 2011 3:26 PM CST reply actions  

i feel like

i should’ve said west virginia.

by Rodger Sherman on Nov 20, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

As a former Arizonan

I wish I could agree with you. But there are at least 10.

by buckyor on Nov 21, 2011 4:53 AM CST up reply actions  

urban dweller

In the 1950s the united states had a problem: cities. Overcrowded, poor sanitation, and high crime rates made life in the city unpalatable. To provide an escape, america built an elaborate set of highways to allow for life outside of the city. Children could play in the streets, trick or treating became an outdoor activity, driving became not a luxury but an invigorating part of life, and blades of grass were seen outside of a few small “parks”.
New jersey can’t and won’t apologize for raiding the benefits of city life and leaving residents to deal with the crime, taxes, and ridiculous rent. Seton Hall is named the pirates after NJs ability to plunder NYC and Philly.

New Jersey is the best and we know that everyone hates us out of jealousy.

With that said, seton hall is a shitty private school in the middle of a slum. Go Cats!

by MrBigCup on Nov 20, 2011 4:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Heart Jersey...

I will always love NJ even with all the shit that being proud of it brings me

by JerseyShore@NU on Nov 20, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Unrelated

Holy crap, Iowa got waxed by Creighton today.

by RotoJeff on Nov 20, 2011 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

Watching St. Joes/Tulsa

Both of these teams are pretty decent — good athleticism, good frontcourt bulk, and quick scoring guards.

At the same time, I’m also struck by how this game is so different from the NU game. Just reminds me how much our PO has an impact on the pace and feel of a game. It seems to me that these teams would rather play fast – up and down. This is why teams hate playing us.

Looking forward to this SHU game. I’m more convinced that as long as we run our sets, we’ve got enough defense to get us by. I’m also hoping tonight will be a “breakout” game for our 5s – they need a real pickmeup.

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by macarthur31 on Nov 20, 2011 6:56 PM CST reply actions  

Where the hell...

are the “Go Cats!” Chick-Fil-A poster signs? Yeesh.

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by macarthur31 on Nov 20, 2011 7:34 PM CST reply actions  

That full-court press, if we can break it...

…will allow us to score PLENTY. Hearn with the easy bucket.

by Chadnudj on Nov 20, 2011 7:37 PM CST reply actions  

How can Luke Walton, by the way, be an assistant coach for Memphis?

I know he’s only there during the lockout, but isn’t there a rule about the number of coaches a team can have? Or is that just paid coaches? Is Walton just a volunteer?

(Things I wondered watching the pre-game Maui Invitational show….)

by Chadnudj on Nov 20, 2011 7:40 PM CST reply actions  

full court press

…is making us uncomfortable. Hmm…. That pass was way too casual from Sobo.

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by macarthur31 on Nov 20, 2011 7:41 PM CST reply actions  

Opening 4 minutes...

teams still feeling each other out. SHU is looking to get inside to Pope and Auda, and they got a sniper that can help out with inside-out.

Meanwhile, Johnny ain’t bashful. Great backdoor cut by Craw should keep ‘em honest. I counted 3 fouls drawn in the first 4 minutes. That’s a good sign — keep being aggressive and cutting to the rack.

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by macarthur31 on Nov 20, 2011 7:45 PM CST reply actions  

Luka...

Having a nice opening to this game.

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by macarthur31 on Nov 20, 2011 7:47 PM CST reply actions  

SHU's hittin' their 3s

Otherwise, hard to complain about our defense. Theodore is jet quick, but otherwise our man-to-man rotations have been pretty good.

Luka had a great steal, and a nice finish from a Crawford feed. I like sitting him for a spell and keeping him fresh.

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by macarthur31 on Nov 20, 2011 7:51 PM CST reply actions  

they're zoning us up

and we’re looking a little passive. liked that marco dribble penetrated to draw the foul

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by macarthur31 on Nov 20, 2011 7:54 PM CST reply actions  

down to 8 minutes...

Mirk has 6 and has been quite spry.

Shurna has gotten a little cold. They’re playing him pretty physical, and he hasn’t been able to draw those “superstar” fouls.

I like our man to man tonight — rotations have been pretty good, and we’re closing out on defensive boards. When will we release the kraken?

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by macarthur31 on Nov 20, 2011 8:02 PM CST reply actions  

Mirko is feeling it!

Sweet pick and roll with Shurna. Get the big guy rolling!

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by macarthur31 on Nov 20, 2011 8:05 PM CST reply actions  

hey macarthur

there’s a game thread running!

by Rodger Sherman on Nov 20, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Reggie Hearn?

Looking legit. Seriously. Very impressive.

by Chadnudj on Nov 20, 2011 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

40-30 at the half.

Nice work, Cats….let’s keep it up.

by Chadnudj on Nov 20, 2011 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

Also...

…Curletti? Terrible. In Big Ten play, is role is solely to foul Jared Sullinger HARD.

by Chadnudj on Nov 20, 2011 8:21 PM CST reply actions  

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