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Thoughts On The Charleston Classic

Northwestern won the Charleston Classic, winning three games in four days. It's unclear exactly how strong their competition was, but LSU, Tulsa and Seton Hall are certainly better than the mid-major cupcakes NU typically plays in non-conference. We'll find out exactly how good those teams are as the season progresses. In the process of those wins, however, we found out quite a bit about Northwestern, starting with...

Drew Crawford appears ready for a breakout season: During his first two years in Evanston, Crawford showed occasional flashes of brilliance but was never able to establish himself as a consistent scoring threat. Expectations may have gotten a bit carried away, in part because Crawford won Big Ten freshman of the year (over the weakest crop of freshmen in recent memory) and also because Crawford's athleticism was so far above normal Northwestern standards that cognitive dissonance set in and some fans started hyping him to the point of being worried he would leave early for the NBA draft.

But after a mildly disappointing sophomore season, Crawford looks like a different player now, as he dominated the Charleston Classic for two and a half games, with 17 points in the second half against LSU, 28 against Tulsa and 27 against Seton Hall. He is beating people off the dribble and attacking the basket, and looks great from three point range as well, hitting 12 of 24 so far this season. Much like Kain Colter was quarterback 1B behind Dan Persa, Crawford is now scorer 1B behind John Shurna. This also leads into the second point...

Star-divide

Northwestern misses Juice Thompson a lot less than expected: Perhaps I am getting a bit ahead of myself with this one. After all, Dave Sobolewski, while he has been steady, is nowhere near Thompson's level yet. However, all three games in Charleston were close down the stretch, and in all three games it was Northwestern that looked like the more experienced, more disciplined team in crunch time. Many thought that NU would really miss Thompson's leadership in these situations, but so far that doesn't appear to be a problem. Also, Crawford and John Shurna both appear to have improved as one-on-one scorers, so those two can fill Thompson's shoes as the guy who made something happen outside of the offense late in the shot clock. Thompson's absence is still a factor: you don't just replace a guy who hit 40% of his threes and had an excellent assist to turnover ratio, but the offense still looks pretty good even without him.

The center position is still a problem: This shouldn't come as a shock to anyone who's watched Northwestern the last few years, but both Luka Mirkovic and Davide Curletti leave quite a bit to be desired, especially on the defensive end. Mirkovic is at times a passable post defender, but he is probably the slowest player in the Big Ten and thus is horrendous at help defense, while Curletti is still prone to fouling too much, and to make matters worse he often fouls the opposing player just hard enough to draw a whistle but not hard enough to stop him from scoring the basket. This is not a problem with an immediate solution.

On offense, Mirkovic's best skill is passing out of the high post, which is an important part of Northwestern's offense, but post game is still lacking. Curletti has done a nice job at the free throw line so far, but he is even less of a post threat than Mirkovic, and is a horrendous passer, often needlessly forcing the ball to teammates who aren't open. He also has yet to figure out how to set a screen legally. This problem has been magnified a bit by both centers struggling to make outside shots thus far, which likely won't continue: both Curletti and Mirkovic entered this season shooting over 35% from three. The threes will eventually start falling, but the other problems don't figure to go away any time soon.

JerShon Cobb and Alex Marcotullio need to step it up: Crawford's outstanding play masked the relatively disappointing performances by Cobb and Marcotullio in Charleston. Cobb at least has an excuse, as he looked rusty in his first three games back from off-season hip surgery, but Marcotullio really struggled in the first two games, fouling out in 10 minutes against LSU and being held scoreless in 10 minutes against LSU. Marcotullio played very well down the stretch last year, so hopefully his improved effort against Seton Hall (7 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists) is the start of better play.

The 1-3-1 zone is what we thought it was: Against a young, inexperienced LSU team, the 1-3-1 worked well, forcing a ton of second half turnovers and helping NU rally from the 9 point deficit. Against a more experienced Seton Hall team, the 1-3-1 mostly got torched, as the Pirates shot surprisingly well from three and rarely turned the ball over. At this point, we know what's going to happen when NU plays 1-3-1: it will work against young and/or bad teams, but against decent teams who've prepared for it, the 1-3-1 is only successful when the opponent can't hit threes. I thought Carmody stayed in the 1-3-1 a lot longer than he should have against Seton Hall, and had NU lost the game he likely would be getting the lion's share of the blame right now.

We'll probably see plenty more of the 1-3-1 throughout the season, as it can be effective against the right opponent or as a change of pace mid-game. Hopefully Northwestern's man to man defense can be at least competent: it looked good at times against Tulsa and Seton Hall, but was terrible against LSU.

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Good post --

On the 1-3-1: I thought we switched to it rather late, and that they hit a bunch more threes form our base man set. I also recall they missed some open 3s from the 1-3-1 set towards the end, but that may have been more about the change up in rhythm – is it possible they were too open?

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by macarthur31 on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

oh trust me

this will get analyzed when i have time to rewatcth these games.

by Rodger Sherman on Nov 22, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

from what i recall

carmody went to the 1-3-1 largely because pope was abusing people

by Loretta8 on Nov 22, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll agree with Macarthur31

I think he went to the 1-3-1 too late….and regardless, if he did go to it because Pope was abusing people, it worked to the extent it stopped him — it’s just that Seton Hall got insanely hot from 3-pt. range.

by Chadnudj on Nov 22, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

How much is Cobb and Marco's non-starting status

due to injury? Much as I give props to Hearn, we can’t possibly go the entire season with him as a starter, can we?

by Herman on Nov 22, 2011 3:13 PM CST reply actions  

Yea, is Hearn a more go to guy than Cobb/Marco?

I’m fine w/that b/c Hearn looks like a player, but my man Marco is just not the same guy. What’s going on?

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Nov 22, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

if marco/cobb can take the non-con up to baylor or creighton to get rested/healed/prepped, i think we’ll be fine with hearn. once we hit that devilish creighton/osu start to conference play, we’ll need our best talent to be top form. I don’t think we can go the whole season with him as a starter. That said, I think he’s fine playing against the mid-mid major competition we’re seeing now.

by pfoley on Nov 22, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

The Internet has been incredibly gentle about Mirkoletti

Yes, they are a problem. But let’s get down to it: these guys SUCK for a couple seniors. Nobody wants to say it but everybody knows it.

I won’t go into the whys of their performance, but I’m wondering what the effects will be if they continue at this pace. Can NU make the tournament with these guys performing as they are? Can you actually keep the ball out of their hands the way the team did against Tulsa and SHU?

(I did see Indiana win a B10 championship with Brian Sloan doing absolutely nothing except setting screens for an entire season. No exageration.)

However, i think B10 coaches are going to be a bit smarter than the three NU saw this weekend. I have a feeling of what B10 coaches will do, but I’d like to hear if the Cats can survive things with these two, and how.

by Sec.112 on Nov 22, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

little backlash

There’s a difference between between having people know you’re terrible and then being terrible, and having people know you have the potential to be good then being terrible.

case in point: demos

by pfoley on Nov 22, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree - but feel a little dirty even going that far

I know a few of you are of the same age as the team, but when you get a bit older, the last thing you ever want to do is call out specific players (Demos included). They work hard, you know that they’re going through a lot balancing school and athletics, and you genuinely want to see them succeed for their own sake – not for your pure entertainment. Our centers have been outclassed in the B1G for a long time and this year is no exception. Us ranting about the lack of talent isn’t going to help them, so it’s just best to let it go and appreciate what they can bring to the table. On the other hand, ripping on Carmody for not bringing in the right recruiting… that’s fair game. He’s getting paid and doesn’t have to go to class.

by GTom on Nov 22, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

not saying it's right

Just that it happens

by pfoley on Nov 22, 2011 5:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

To be fair

I didn’t mean to specifically call you out – your comments are quite appropriate and mild. I’m just saying that sometimes people forget these are teenage kids and it makes me a bit uncomfortable when they come under direct criticism. Seemed to fit best under your comment, but could have gone under anybody else’s.

by GTom on Nov 22, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Excuse me, GTom

Part of this comes from another online discussion I’ve been having, however, I’m a little sick of this argument.

Nobody is putting a gun to their head to play major college basketball. It’s a privilege that comes with many, many perks. it also has some drawbacks, and criticism from schmucks like me is one of them.

If they can’t handle the analysis that comes with multi-million dollar big conference basketball, there are plenty of DII schools where they can showcase their talents quietly. The second NU started taking money for tickets and selling television right that boosts everybody’s cable bill, they put these kids in a public spotlight that opens them to analysis.

There’s a reason nobody discussed guard play at North Park College.

Please don’t take that completely personally, GTom, because it’s been said by a few more than you. However, it’s time for many to put on their big boy pants for when somebody plays really poorly against the competition they’ve chosen to play against.

by Sec.112 on Nov 22, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yea,

We can praise them and not criticize them? It’s not personal to anyone, but bottom line is Mirk and Curletti are not Big Ten level centers. Discuss class or whatever, but they are subpar and people are pointing it out.

Absolutely, I do blame Carmody more for putting them in this position. Hell, I blame Carmody for everything that is NU men’s bball’s failure.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Nov 23, 2011 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Different strokes, different folks

I think it’s classless to belittle players — constructive/fair/even-handed criticism is fine, but there’s a difference between saying “X player struggled with his defense/rebounding last night” (fair criticism) and just calling a guy “terrible” (belittling players)…..

But, to each their own. If you wanna belittle guys who are (presumably) giving their all for our alma mater/favorite team, I won’t stop you. But I think it reflects far more poorly on you than the player(s) you belittle.

(P.S. This is not directed at NUACo2002 specifically or necessarily at all…just replied under his post)

by Chadnudj on Nov 23, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Reflecting poorly on me?

Losing the respect of the all-important message board community?

I can live with that.

by Sec.112 on Nov 23, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Kinda agree/disagree.

First off, Chad, I completely agree to attack a player personally is uncalled for and something I do not endorse. However, when I say Player X is terrible, it is a comment on their play relative to their peers.

Let me make a personal analogy. I am running a 8k/5 mile Turkey Trot race tomorrow morning, my goal is to finish under 39 minutes. Some people might say that is fantastic, and some people could say that is terrible. If someone told me I’m a terrible runner, I would be ok with it, b/c it is a relative comment (I am terrible relative to them).

So, when I say Mirkovic or Curletti are terrible players, clearly they are D1 BCS caliber players, so they are EXCELLENT in comparison to me, but they are subpar compared to their Big Ten peers.

See what I’m saying, I have no personal ill will against these players, but am making a comment or judgement on their play.

Also, if we praise them when they play well, then we can criticize them when they play poorly. Instead of being made when someone says, Curletti is terrible, just replace it in your mind with Curlett played terrible. That’s what most people mean when they say it.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Nov 23, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, the haterade for these two will come when they play ELITE centers.

I can only imagine w/PJones and JSullinger will do to them, but to be fair to them, those two are top 10 NBA picks, so they’ll make a lot of people look bad. I’m curious how those two will do against the Minnesota, Iowas, and Michigans of the world.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Nov 22, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Iowa and Michigan, yes. Even Indiana.

But not Minnesota.

God… Trevor Mbakwe vs. Mirkoletti… Oh God, the carnage…

by MNWildcat on Nov 22, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's important to remember that most college centers aren't very good, relative to smaller guys

I haven’t been watching NU for very long, but both of those guys look decent to me, other than Mirkovic doesn’t seem to rebound as well as you’d like for a guy his size.

I’m glad Loretta gave Curletti props for his free throw shooting there at the end; I don’t think many teams have a big man who can knock down 4/4 in crunch time. That’s a luxury, to have no major free throw liabilities on the floor at any given time.

by busplunger on Nov 22, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Saying "they suck" is incredibly rude

Especially coming from an NU fan. We get it, you don’t like them.

And yes, I know you think they are a liability on both ends of the floor.

And yes, guys like Sullinger will completely crush them – but that’s true with most centers in the B1G and beyond.

But you don’t have to be a jerk about it.

by Nirvana91 on Nov 22, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, I'm being a bit of jerk

But I won’t be out here every week using those terms.

However, I think it does emphasize how badly they’ve played, and everybody tiptoes around it.

by Sec.112 on Nov 22, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

So, I understand.

And, in honesty, I say as much to friends while watching the game. But crucifying them here and saying they ‘suck’? Really?

Yeah, we get it. Luka and Davide aren’t the best centers. Congrats, the horse is dead, put down the stick. But we saw against SHU what Luka is capable of doing. If Carmody finds a way to keep them from being liabilities on offense (to this day, I love the LukaThree) and keep them as, generally speaking, immobile roadblocks on defense (idea: “hey Davide, don’t take a Albert Pujols-sized cut at EVERY shot”), they can play through games and give NU at least a semi-competent option at center.

I get it, these are D-I college athletes who deserve criticism, but come on. They’re both better shooters than they’ve shown this year. They can, in fact, put up decent lines (combined, and why not?) from the ‘5’ for a middle-range B1G team. NU adapts to that and plays a system (the 1-3-1) that lowers the standard for a ‘5’ (hey, perhaps part of Carmody’s system isn’t terrible———HERESY!). Maybe we wait for B1G to bury the ‘5’ spot.

by MNWildcat on Nov 23, 2011 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Sec 112.

Just to appease these people, don’t say suck. Just say they are terrible/awful/subpar/bad, etc. Then this annoyingness of using ‘suck’ will stop.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Nov 23, 2011 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Or, you know...

…criticize their play fairly, without attacking them personally. (i.e. Player X has struggled on defense this year, or Player Y doesn’t get in position to rebound consistently….hate the weakness, not the playa).

by Chadnudj on Nov 23, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Sloan's screens

Did they move? Palpably so?

I grew up in Indy – remember Uwe Blab’s freshman year? Awkward would be a nice way to describe it. IU has had quite a few bigs like that since I started watching them.

Anyhow, as much as we’re disadvantaged in the paint, it’s not necessarily a death knell to making the tourney. We were able to win even with Pope going ninja on us. While he’s no Sullinger, he’s also underrated on the national radar, because he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. Not every big man will exploit us like that.

by RotoJeff on Nov 22, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Death knell

That might be a harsh term. (You know I don’t like harsh terms, Jeff.)

Seriously,I can’t believe it will kill NU. But I’m conflicted because I can’t believe coaches won’t start exploiting the hell out of this problem soon. For instance, I honestly believe it wouldn’t take much at all to draw two fouls out of each of them in the first ten minutes of the game. Then what?

by Sec.112 on Nov 22, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

We'll have to run the Chad

Named after Chadnudj as he suggested we go small by choice in the LSU game thread. The 1-3-1 actually addresses the problem of having below-average bigs to a certain extent. We’ll get crushed on the boards, but … we get crushed on the boards (or at least have in previous years) anyhow. I don’t mind the idea of having five guys capable of handling the ball and shooting anywhere on the court.

However, it might actually hurt the offense on some occasions against the zone, when Luka is useful with the kick-out pass. But it would solve the “my God, don’t ever let him dribble on the perimeter” problem.

by RotoJeff on Nov 23, 2011 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Since Eschmeyer..

I can’t remember when we’ve had a quality post “5”.

When I look at Mirkoletti (or Curletovic), I still think they can give us 13 and 7. When we get the ball into Mirkovic in the low-post, I only expect him to make a move if he’s got position. Otherwise, I expect him to kick out to keep the ball moving. I’d love for him to get his points off of rebounds (he was 4th in conference in ’10 in Offensive Rebounds per game).

I don’t expect much from Curletti offensively, but he’s got a motor and when he moves his feet, he can defend well.

The combination of both will be enough to get us over as long as Shurna and Crawford are healthy.

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by macarthur31 on Nov 22, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

More names

How about “Brick McBlockfoul?”

Your 13&7 theory makes me think, but what will the stat-lines be for opposing match-ups?

I could see 13-7 if it doesn’t include 0-4 from 3. Knock down that three with good choices and a reasonable percentage and I think it’s a different world. Until then, if you’re an opposing coach, wouldn’t you completely pack the lane when those two are facing the basket at the top of the key?

by Sec.112 on Nov 22, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

also

tre demps apparently doesn’t exist.

by Rodger Sherman on Nov 22, 2011 3:37 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

What’s up with that? Was going 0-4 against UTPA enough to deep six him? Or maybe he made fun of Carmody’s Mortal Kombat skills.

by bangnblame on Nov 22, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

you idiots tre's dead

he’s locked in my basement

by Loretta8 on Nov 22, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

And motha*****s act

like they forgot about Tre

by Sasser on Nov 22, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Demps vowed not to play again

until he could finish the Challenge Tower, after Carmody dissed him. Hasn’t finished it yet.

by Herman on Nov 22, 2011 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

pleasantly surprised

Good post Loretta. I was pleasantly surprised by the Cats performance, particularly Hearn’s play and the freshmen Kid Sobo, has a toughness about him. Of course as we have talked in prior seasons, the talent level may be exposed in conference, but hopefully Drew and Shurna can really carry the team and the supporting cast will contribute. Looking forward to a good season, but we will need patience as usual.

by dsdj on Nov 22, 2011 6:58 PM CST reply actions  

Is Turner redshirting?

Why he no play in garbage time against UTPA?

by nufandan on Nov 23, 2011 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

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