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Boston College Football History: A Timeline

BC head coach Frank Spaziani, illustrating how tall Doug Flutie is.

Rodger covered Boston College the school already and took some well-deserved shots at the hockey team, although he failed to mention BC hockey players are so dumb that three of them got hammered and crashed their car into a train.(edit: a reader points out that charges were dropped and it was actually the train conductor's fault.) Seriously. I've known some stupid hockey players in my college days, including one guy who got hammered and thought it would be a good idea to mock execute random people on the street with a cap gun, but crashing your car into a train is a whole new level of dumb.

Anyways, I'm here to break down Boston College's football history. For the early days I need to rely on Wikipedia, as my extensive BC football knowledge only dates back to the late seventies.

1893: The beginning

On October 26, 1893, BC played its first official game against the St. John's Literary Institute of Cambridge followed by its first intercollegiate game against MIT. BC won the first game 4-0, but lost 6-0 to MIT.

I live in Cambridge and I've never heard of the St. John's Literary Institute, but on the other hand I'm illiterate so maybe it still exists. Oh, and they lost to the nerds at MIT. Hahahaha computer nerds.

1896: THE RIVALRY

In 1896, Boston College and Holy Cross began what was to become one of the most storied rivalries in college football.[citation needed]

Citation needed indeed. Other storied rivalries in college football: Northwestern vs. Towson State, Northwestern vs. Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Iowa vs. Iowa Navy Pre-Flight. I mean seriously, can you just write anything you want on Wikipedia and as long as it can't be proven false and isn't slanderous it's allowed to stay up? Someone test this out on Northwestern's Wikipedia page:

"Stefan Demos was one of the most storied kickers in Northwestern history"

"Tim Doyle was one of the most popular players in Northwestern history, and is now a beloved broadcaster"

"Nikola Baran was one of the toughest centers in Big Ten history"

Star-divide

1940: The undefeated season

The greatest year in BC football history: the Eagles went undefeated and beat Tennessee in the Sugar Bowl. Despite their impressive resume, the NCAA isn't impressed, recognizing Minnesota as the only official champion in 1940. I'm trying to imagine a universe in which Boston College and Minnesota both had legitimate claims to a national title in football, and my brain feels like it's going to cave in. This must be what Iowa fans feel like when they think back to 1995 Northwestern football.

1978: The coach on vacation

The Wikipedia page jumps straight from 1940 to the Flutie years in the early 80's; it was a rough 40 years for BC. However, the 1978 team deserves mention because they are one of the most bizarre teams in college football history. The Eagles had 7 future NFL players on the roster, including 5-time Pro Bowler Fred Smerlas, one of if not the best nose tackle in NFL history. Their record for the season? 0-11, including losses to Villanova, UMass, Holy Cross (STORIED RIVAL), and a season-ending defeat to Temple in something called the Mirage Bowl in Tokyo, Japan. That has to go down as one of the worst coaching jobs ever, in any sport.

1981-1984: The Doug Flutie Era

To help Northwestern fans understand the importance of Flutie to BC football, here's an analogy: Doug Flutie is to Boston College as Gary Barnett is to Northwestern. Flutie was an incredible college football player, graduating as the nation's all-time leading passer (to put in perspective how much college football has changed to a passing game, he's no longer in the top 50), winning the 1984 Heisman, and leading BC to a 19-5 record his last two seasons, including a Cotton Bowl win on New Year's Day 1985.

But his tremendous on-field accomplishments are only the beginning. Flutie was such a dynamic player that he did the impossible: he made pro sports-centric Boston care about a college team. Despite being overloaded with colleges, Boston has always cared about its professional teams first, and no matter how good a BC team is (and the hockey, basketball and football teams have all had some really good teams over the past ten years), the local fans don't really care, and if they do it's only because the Red Sox/Patriots/Celtics/Bruins aren't on. But Flutie was different; to this day he's still a Boston icon, 100 times more so than great college QBs like Matt Hasselbeck or Matt Ryan. If you were making a list of the greatest Boston sports moments of the last 30 years, Flutie's Hail Mary to beat Miami would probably be near the top of the list; no other BC moment would crack the top 100.

Unfortunately, now that Flutie's pro career is over, he's having quite a bit trouble stepping away from the spotlight and has become one of the most shameless media whores the world has ever seen; more on that later in the week.

2000-2007: The Bowl winning streak

These eight years are seasons Northwestern fans would kill for: eight seasons, eight bowl wins. However, as impressive as that streak sounds, it's rather bittersweet. All eight of the bowl wins came in pre-New Year's Day games with little fanfare, and there were several missed opportunities for greater glory.

The first near miss came in 2001, when BC hosted undefeated, #1 ranked Miami. BC came in 6-2, and had some momentum after beating rival Notre Dame the week before. However, star running back William Green was suspended for the game for an unspecified violation of team rules, and dreams of an upset appeared dashed.

Yet somehow, BC hung right with the eventual national champions, and had a chance to take the lead in the final minute, down 12-7 but deep in Miami territory. Unfortunately, luck wasn't on their side:

 (via CanesWarning)

I've always rooted against BC football and even I can't really find schadenfreude on this one. The ball takes an incredibly unlucky bounce off someone's foot, gets intercepted, and then rather than just letting his teammate get tackled and the game be over, Ed Reed, in decidedly The U fashion, goes into beast mode for the style points touchdown.

However, if you're a BC hater looking for schadenfreude, nothing, and I mean nothing, tops the 2004 Eagles team. 2004 was a transitional year for the Big East, as Miami and Virginia Tech, the two programs that had dominated the conference in recent years, had both left for the ACC, and BC would follow in 2005. So the league title (which would have been BC's first ever, they joined the Big East in 1991) was wide open, as the league had only 7 teams left.

BC had a solid season, and entered the regular season finale ranked 17th in the nation, at 8-2 overall and 4-1 in the Big East. A win would give them the outright Big East title and a trip to the Orange Bowl. Standing in their way: the 5-5 Syracuse Orangemen, who were coming off a loss to the horrendous Temple Owls and had injury problems at running back; their starter Walter Reyes was on the shelf. His backup Damien Rhodes ran for a touchdown on the Orange's first play from scrimmage, but soon had to leave with a leg injury.

Enter the man, the myth, the legend: Diamond Ferri. Ferri was Syracuse's starting safety, but he stepped in at running back. Playing both ways and never coming off the field, Ferri had 28 carries for 141 yards and two touchdowns, returned two punts for eight yards, and put the nail in BC's coffin by returning an interception for a touchdown late in the 4th quarter to give Syracuse a 36-17 lead. The final was 43-17, and BC went from the Orange Bowl to the Continental Tire Bowl. Just the name Diamond Ferri should be enough to make a BC fan foam at the mouth.

2004 remains the only conference title in BC's history, as their 4-2 record was enough for a share, but it's a small share, as Syracuse, West Virginia and Pitt all finished 4-2. That's right, four of the seven teams in the Big East that year "won" the conference.

2007 was another big letdown, as they started 8-0 and climbed to the top 5 in the polls after a miracle comeback against Virginia Tech in a nationally televised Thursday night game. But they lost their next 2 games, then lost to Virginia Tech in the ACC title game, and ended up in the Champs Sports bowl.

In fairness to BC, they got completely screwed in the bowl selections that year, but the Eagles will always have the deck stacked against them in the ACC. Not only do BC fans not travel well, but their competition for the good bowl games is other ACC schools with giant fanbases whose campuses are often within driving distance of said bowl games. No bowl president in his right mind is ever going to take BC over Clemson or Florida State for a game held in the south.

2009: The Jeff Jagodzinski Failboat

After two successful years at BC, during which he went 20-8, Jagodzinski decided to interview for the Jets head coaching job, despite being told not to by his boss at BC, athletic director Gene DeFilippo. DeFilippo fired him, Jagodzinski didn't get the Jets job, and BC promoted defensive coordinator Frank Spaziani to head coach.

Meanwhile, Jagodzinski was hired by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as offensive coordinator, but was so bad he got fired before the season started. In 2010, he finally got another head coaching job: with the Omaha Nighthawks of the UFL. And after one season there, he got fired again. His current employment status is unknown, maybe he's coaching C.J. Bacher in Finland.

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the mirage bowl

what, did they take the last place teams from the Big East? Is that what sells in Japan?

also, Stefan Demos is one of the most storied kickers in NU history. Nobody said they had to be good stories.

by Rodger Sherman on Aug 29, 2011 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Amado Villarreal would like a word, sir.

Jonathan Herrera: Staving off regression to the mean since 2010!

by Foxhole Atheist on Aug 29, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joel Howells would like a word as well

I know this is before y’all’s time, but I remember being at a game when Joel Howells kicked a field goal attempt into the center’s ass. Like, square-on drilled it. It must’ve been 2003 when it happened and I was wondering what I’d gotten myself into…

by NUcappy on Aug 29, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Found the recap, at least

NU 16, Wisconsin 7 – October 25, 2003

Joel Howells kicked the extra point into the back of his offensive line. Howells, in for the injured Slade Larscheid, missed again badly on a 25-yard field-goal attempt. Neither kick cleared the line of scrimmage, and he was pulled for punter Brian Huffman.

Huffman made a 25-yard field goal.

by NUcappy on Aug 29, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, WHAT?

The ’Cats once had a player named Slade Larscheid?

No. I refuse to believe that. That is a fabrication by BHGP and nobody can convince me otherwise.

Jonathan Herrera: Staving off regression to the mean since 2010!

by Foxhole Atheist on Aug 29, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

well that settles it

Rodger now has to do a competition for best wildcat names of all time. Early frontrunner is Slade Larscheid.

by pfoley on Aug 29, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's real

and he’s not spectacular

by Loretta8 on Aug 29, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I lived in Elder with him my freshman year

Real nice guy, from one of the Dakotas, I think, but no, not a good kicker.

by NUcappy on Aug 30, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

South Dakota

A better recap is from the OSU game in 2003:

Three plays later, Slade Larscheid shanked a 35-yard field-goal attempt that was wide left. His 47-yard attempt in the third quarter fell 20 yards short. The snaps bounced to the holder on both kicks.

by Craig from the Southside on Aug 30, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly...

the 35-yard shank looked like the perfect coffin-corner punt.

by Craig from the Southside on Aug 30, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously, for all the ragging on Demos

he would have been a godsend in the early and mid-’00s, which were a total black hole for NU kickers. Consider that in 2003 we went through three kickers (the aforementioned Howells, Larscheid and Huffman), who went a combined 7-14 on the year, with a long of 39 yards (!).
Things got better in 2004, though, right? Wrong. Huffman went 7-17, before being replaced by Howells, who went a promising 4-5.
That boded well for Howells in 2005, right? Wrong again. In his first year as the full-time starter, Howells went 11-21.

by Herman on Aug 30, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't watch Game of Thrones

but this is a character from Game of Thrones, right?

by Rodger Sherman on Aug 30, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed

I can personally attest to this happening. Interestingly, Howells turned out to be a decent enough collegiate kicker in the end despite the rough start (although it may have worked out better had he made it to that level earlier; in 2004 the aforementioned punter Huffman missed 5 FGs against TCU including potential game-winner and game-tier chances).

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JHodges
HailToPurple

by jhodges on Aug 30, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Waddle!!!

I always liked Tommy Waddle – former BC Eagle, and The Poster Guy for Slow White Guys (sorry about the redundency) making it as a tough-guy receiver in the NFL.

I still remember him getting concussed after a catch over the middle in a playoff game against the cowboys, and making like 20 catches against the Jets on a Monday night game. He is now a NFL Network commentator and does local Chicago TV and radio sports shows. He seems like a nice guy, but I will have to put him on the hate list with Doug Flutie for the upcoming game.

*BTW – I lived in Boston area in’83, and I was THIS close to Flutie’s Heisman! I know. You’re happy for me…

by nugraddad on Aug 29, 2011 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Coincidentally...

…Waddle’s daughter is an incoming freshmen at Northwestern. Please Facebook stalk her with dignity and respect.

/Seriously joking. DO NOT Facebook stalk her or anyone else for any reason.

by Chadnudj on Aug 29, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Hear Ya!

Waddle is still a tough guy – and he says on the radio, that his girls can all kick his buttocks.

Remarkably similar to how the cats will be kicking eagle butt very soon! :)

by nugraddad on Aug 29, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

creepy

creepy creepy creepy creepy creepy

by Rodger Sherman on Aug 29, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

how

do you know this? seriously, how?

by pfoley on Aug 29, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

He mentioned it...

…in an interview with Fitz, actually, on the radio. I’m seriously not that creepy — I just remember weird facts like Tom Waddle saying on ESPNRadio that his daughter was heading to Northwestern, so he was excited about NU-Boston College this year…..

by Chadnudj on Aug 30, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can confirm this

I listened to that podcast earlier in August (it wass when Fitz was on ESPN Chicago’s “Lunch with a Legend” series) and I remember the bit about his daughter going to NU.

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JHodges
HailToPurple

by jhodges on Aug 30, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

bet you wish sbnation had that old edit post button, eh?

its alright chad i got your back and will delete it if you ever become the target of police interest.

by Loretta8 on Aug 29, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I *do* remember the Hail Mary

Moreover, I remember where I watching the game – at my grandparents’ house – more specifically, on their crappy tv in the basement, because I was the only one in the house that cared about a college football game that wasn’t in the Big Ten.

I also remember what a monster game Bernie Kosar had against BC that afternoon/night.

by RotoJeff on Aug 29, 2011 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Also

… ‘94, I think, BC might have been Barnett’s first relatively decent non-conference win. That team had Pete Mitchell as their tight end – good player, subject of countless bad Top Gun jokes.

And by bad Top Gun jokes, I mean hilarious only to us at the time Top Gun jokes.

by RotoJeff on Aug 29, 2011 10:01 PM CDT reply actions  

no such thing as bad top gun jokes

remember, I’m the guy that repeatedly yelled “Maverick, you big stud, take me to bed or lose me forever!” at Minnesota’s Maverick Ahanmisi while he was shooting free throws, knowing full well that the quote is intended for goose.

by Rodger Sherman on Aug 29, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Negative ghostrider, the pattern is full.

Anytime there was an incomplete pass, that one had us in stitches. And by us, I mean me.

by RotoJeff on Aug 30, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

So about that crash between a train and BC hockey players...

Check the updated history – not only were BC hockey players not driving, the student driving had all charges dismissed and the train conductor was suspended.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/06/25/blaming_bc_students_not_so_fast/

by Eagle in Southie on Aug 30, 2011 8:21 AM CDT reply actions  

thanks

i hadn’t heard about that

will make a change to the article

by Loretta8 on Aug 30, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

you did not make changes, you have left your blatantly false statement, which you now know to be false, to smear the hockey players’ reputation and BC ’s too.
 
also, none of the hockey players were driving the car and the driver was not drinking and not “hammered”.

DO NOT REPEAT HARMFUL LIES ABOUT REAL PEOPLE FOR A LAUGH

see MBTA backs off

this is how it reads:

although he failed to mention BC hockey players are so dumb that three of them got hammered and crashed their car into a train.(edit: a reader points out that charges were dropped and it was actually the train conductor’s fault.)

by waterwater on Aug 30, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

son

do you understand the definition of the world “change”?

by Loretta8 on Aug 30, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

i mean

i just linked a news story from a credible source, i didn’t make anything up or tell any lies. i didnt realize that the train conductor was later found at fault until eagle in southie pointed it out to me. so i made a change and updated the piece. nobody reading the current version of the piece is going to have any confusion unless they are stupid.

calm down

by Loretta8 on Aug 30, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

i didnt realize

BUT NOW YOU KNOW

BC Players crashed the car — false. No players were driving

implying driver was “hammered” — false

Implying driver was cause of accident – false, MBTA was

implying this all adds up to dumb players — false

Is bashing people and a school with complete falsehoods fun? Is sticking to your guns even when you know your premise is wrong or highly likely to be wrong the NU journalism school’s way — hope not. Do the right thing Loretta of Boston or do you want to stoop to the level of the BC-hating Globe?.

by waterwater on Aug 30, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

you've gone off point

But yes, Globe is well-known to be hostile to BC. I think you know that.

by waterwater on Aug 30, 2011 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

is bashing a newspaper with complete falsehoods fun?

Is sticking to your guns even when you know your premise is wrong or highly likely to be wrong the BC homers’ way?

just an fyi, the article eagle in southie linked to above, guess what paper it was in….

by Loretta8 on Aug 30, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’ve always rooted against BC football

I am talking to a BC hater from Cambridge.

Sorry that i just realized that.

Good bye.

by waterwater on Aug 30, 2011 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I think he dropped the microphone....

….so that he could go beat up some Hahvard kids and get wicked hammered with Sully and Murph, bitch about Bill Buckner, and pass out drunk and dream of how tender the carress of Tom Brady would be.

/Assuming that’s the only thing anyone in Boston does, ever.

by Chadnudj on Aug 30, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I see you folks are comfortable with ethnic slurs, particularly against Irish-catholics. I am surprised ethic and religious slurs would be acceptable — even thought to be funny — at a school such as NU.

by waterwater on Aug 30, 2011 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

wicked hammered with Sully and Murph and pass out drunk

This is a flat out slur on Irish Catholics. No question about it.

Tell me could you make a similar ‘funny’ remark about any other ethic/religious group. ANSWER: NO and you also would not dare do so

You are all such stupid stuck-up jerks you are completely desensitized to the feeling of ’ the other’ that you can not even recognize a demeaning slur when you see it, let alone correct it, delete it or apologize for the slur. Instead, you revel in own snarkiness

by waterwater on Aug 30, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh

I assumed when you criticized Loretta for writing something, you were referring to something he wrote.

by Rodger Sherman on Aug 30, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can the season start already?

Things are just getting weird now.

by bangnblame on Aug 30, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I guarantee you,

you could make jokes about World War Two or getting shitfaced on lager and wienerschnitzel in the presence of me and my overwhelmingly German Protestant family, and we would utterly fail to give a damn.

So…ANSWER: YES.

Jonathan Herrera: Staving off regression to the mean since 2010!

by Foxhole Atheist on Aug 30, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I seriously thought...

…that “Sully” and “Murph” were just stereotypical names of drunken Red Sox fans — that joke had literally nothing intending to be derogatory of Irish or Catholics.

Now insulting Boston? Yes — fully intended to slur Boston, and everything about it. Insufferable.

by Chadnudj on Aug 30, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I thought that "Sully" and "Murph" were just stereotypical names of drunken Red Sox fans

Yes, Chad, you did resort to using stereotypes. Sterotypes are slurs, Chad

nothing intending to be derogatory of Irish or Catholics

your remark was a slur on Irish Catholics.

Are you really a NU student or alum?? You and Loretta have presented a picture of narrow-mindedness and bigotry. I am sure, NU has much better to offer than that.

by waterwater on Aug 31, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stereotype, noun:

A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.

Slur, noun:
An insult or slight.

Wrong again. Either troll harder or report SoP to the Southern Poverty Fucking Law Center already.

This was all a joke, and I’m sure you know that and are just acting butthurt to make waves. All I can say to that is:

Jonathan Herrera: Staving off regression to the mean since 2010!

by Foxhole Atheist on Aug 31, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

real talk

I can definitely see this as being offensive and it definitely plays into some stereotypes. If we did offend you, you know, sorry and all.

That said, I don’t think you’d be this angry if someone wrote this on a BC site. Also, not to dissect someone’s joke too much, but I think the entire point of Chad’s comment was that he was playing up blatant stereotypes, then pointing out they probably aren’t true and that he was making fun of people from Boston.

your skin-thickness is questionable.

by Rodger Sherman on Aug 31, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

thank you. I’d say the same on any site.

by waterwater on Aug 31, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll echo Rodger...

…totally didn’t mean to offend, and sorry if I did so. It was truly a joke about Boston and the “stereotype” of Boston fans, and had nothing to do with Irish-Catholics in its delivery or intent (although you seem to have taken it as such) — kinda like making fun of Wisconsin fans for being fat, or Iowa fans being farmers/hicks/meth lab proprieters, or Purdue fans for….

/sobs, tears ACL

by Chadnudj on Aug 31, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, indeed, as Rodger points out...

….the joke was ridiculing the stereotype — note the post-script:

/Assuming that’s the only thing anyone in Boston does, ever.

I certainly don’t believe those things to be true (unless you really are dreaming of Tom Brady’s caress in the comfort of your home at night)….that’s the whole point of the joke.

by Chadnudj on Aug 31, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are engaging in little revisionist history

See you Saturday!

by waterwater on Aug 31, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where?

I’m quoting the actual comment?

You seriously don’t understand the first thing about satire/sarcasm. If BC is as soft/easily hurt as you are (and in the case of BC’s secondary, the answer seems to be yes), well, in the immortal words of Hayden Fry “I hope we [don’t] hurt your boys too bad out there.”

by Chadnudj on Aug 31, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

if we are off ethnic issues and back to sports, well, don’t kid your self. Persa can’t play on saturday, #2 QB can’t throw worth a lick, and your backs and #2 QB can’t run on BC’s vaunted defense. BC has a new high octane FB-less spread-ish offense and NU’s defense is bad. And the game is at BC. NU will be crushed — to smithereens!!

by waterwater on Aug 31, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, my.
Persa can’t play on saturday

Wrong. He’s a game-time decision (and there’s some debate as to whether that’s actually true or Pat Fitzgerald is just playing mind games.

#2 QB can’t throw worth a lick

Wrong again. Colter has really impressed in practices and appears to be fully recovered from shoulder surgery. (Also, he’s from Colorado, which means he automatically wins at everything forever and ever.)

and your backs and #2 QB can’t run on BC’s vaunted defense. BC has a new high octane . . . offense and NU’s defense is bad.

Not necessarily wrong, but all totally unsubstantiated.

Jonathan Herrera: Staving off regression to the mean since 2010!

by Foxhole Atheist on Aug 31, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

High octane FB-less spreadish offense?

Oh….you mean the one Northwestern practices against EVERY DAY in practice, that’s manned (in Northwestern’s case) by a QB who completes nearly 20% more of his passes than yours?

Yep, we’re shaking in our boots over here.

by Chadnudj on Aug 31, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

Jokes about my German-Polish-Catholic-Jewish heritage are also welcome.

Jokes about my wife’s Mexican heritage, however, are not.

by buckyor on Aug 31, 2011 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I prefer....

As your leader, I encourage you from time to time, and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you’re unconvinced that a particular plan of action I’ve decided is the wisest, tell me so, but allow me to convince you and I promise you right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo. Except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is… I collect your fucking head

by Chadnudj on Aug 31, 2011 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

so why the difference buckyor?

by waterwater on Aug 31, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok

LTP spends a lot of time defending the academic reputation of BC. You’re not helping his cause.

by buckyor on Aug 31, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

so I guess you can’t say why you have two different approaches below — A and B?

[A] Jokes about my German-Polish-Catholic-Jewish heritage are also welcome.

[B] Jokes about my wife’s Mexican heritage, however, are not.

by waterwater on Aug 31, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck it

Go ahead and insult the Mexicans too if it makes you feel better. Just be warned my wife will kick your pasty Hibernian ass if you do.

by buckyor on Aug 31, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

"No Mr. Garrison, we can't rid of the Mexicans, too."

/Because all my pop-culture references are from at least 10 years ago.

by RotoJeff on Sep 1, 2011 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

This one actually genuinely confuses me.

I thought I deleted my PAT FITZGERALD IS A BAD COACH BECAUSE HE’S IRISH post from 2007.

by Rodger Sherman on Aug 30, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah

i could have handled this a lot better. thanks again for the correction.

trolls gonna troll i guess

by Loretta8 on Aug 30, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I stabbed a man in the heart!

Jonathan Herrera: Staving off regression to the mean since 2010!

by Foxhole Atheist on Aug 31, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what happened

But I’m pretty sure waterwater killed a guy with a trident

by Eagle in Brighton on Aug 31, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Water Troll!

You should immediately head over to the Notre Dame sight and troll your Ethnic Slur Trolling by the Ethnically Slurred “FIGHTING IRISH”. They might be able to get you a Papal Dispensation from your scheduled upcoming Trip To Hell.

In Nomine Patris, et Fillii, et Spiritu Sancte.

by nugraddad on Aug 31, 2011 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Origo gentis varius negativa procedit ex malo. Si autem vis ad oculum caecum vertere malum, malum tamen inveniat

by waterwater on Aug 31, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ummm...

Not to give waterwater any ammunition (and please, just lighten up… my best friend and NU roomate, a stereotypical Irish Catholic from Boston with a classic Irish name, would have nodded and laughed at Chadnudj’s comment – and it’s not like the Irish Catholic is particularly disadvantaged in American life any longer), one of the three stories behind how that School from South Bend got named involves Northwestern students screaming “kill those Irishmen” at the team during a football game.

by GTom on Aug 31, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

so if your ethnic group is deemed to be underadvantaged, no ethnic jokes are allowed by person’s outsdie the group?

BUT if the ethnic group is now ‘not particularly disadvantaged,’ ‘funny’ slurs by all are welcome. Is that it? Was this Buckyor’s point?

and GTom, you tend to show you limitations by saying ‘your friend’ is stereotypical Irish to gain credibility (it is like to old saw, ‘I am not prejudiced becuase I have a friend who is [fill in blank] ) …. Also there is no stereotypical Irish. Don’t you get it?

by waterwater on Aug 31, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...

I too often hate the “my friend” comment and deserve a bit of criticism, but sweet Jesus… mountain, meet molehill. Also, please note that you’re the one who connected Catholicism with “Irish” and “drinking”. Nobody else said Catholic – you made that connection all on your own. As a Catholic, I’m offended… and will commiserate with a few beers later on tonight…

And by the way, yes, it is absolutely acceptable to have a few light-hearted moments that may relate to a particular ethnicity or regional mannerism, and yes those jokes are far more acceptable when they don’t denigrate a group of people who might be presently suffering. If you want to live in a PC utopia, fine, but please don’t rain on everyone else’s parade. Some of us aren’t so insecure about our background.

by GTom on Aug 31, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Et cum spiritu tuo

Your mother was a Bendictine Nun, and your father smelled of elderberry altar wine…

So tell us – How did it go bringing Your Version of The One True Faith™ to those Heathen Fighting Irish fans?

by nugraddad on Aug 31, 2011 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't know what's happening here

But I don’t think it’s good

by Rodger Sherman on Aug 31, 2011 11:31 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

It appears...

…that waterwater has bested NU Alumni Class of 2002 in the “manufacture a controversy completely whole-cloth out of nothing” competition this week here at SoP.

by Chadnudj on Aug 31, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

christWafers???

Christwafers?

Obviously a derogatory term for the holiest aspect of the Catholic Faith – the Eucharist.

An unfortunate and deeply repugnant comment.

by waterwater on Aug 31, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, you're correct.

Christwafers went out of business.

The new industry standard is Jeez-its:

by Glopknar on Aug 31, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

*disclaimer

This isn’t an unholy joke about crackers. It’s a very holy joke about crackers. The cracker, on the box there, you see. Little hole right in the middle.

Yessir, these are holy crackers.

by Glopknar on Aug 31, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

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