Michigan State Spartans vs. Northwestern Wildcats Basketball Preview
My preview of Northwestern's matchup against the No. 7 Michigan State Spartans: GUARANTEED to be at least as enjoyable as watching a six-hour long video of somebody suffering from opiate withdrawal!
Hit the jump for el terrible.
Are they good?: They suck! I stopped paying attention to Michigan State after their first two games were both LOSSES. Northwestern won its first SEVEN games, but MSU lost their first two! Should be a blowout. (checks notes) (sees MSU's first games were against UNC and Duke) (sees that they've won 15 straight) (sees that they manhandled Indiana, beat Wisconsin, and romped over Iowa by 30) Oh.
What are they good at?: Kenpom ranking of 9 on offense, 5 on defense. LIKE WHOA. Great rebounding, efficient scoring, unbelievable defense.
What are they bad at?: Watching Michigan State's first two games, I was convinced a nagging deficiency for MSU would be the lack of consistent point guard play. Losing Kalin Lucas, who guided your team to two straight final four bids, is tough, and UNC hit the Spartans with a half-court trap that forced some turnovers that turned into run-out dunks. I also might have questioned a team depending on Derrick Nix and Adriean Payne for center play. Oddly enough, both of these concerns have found their answer in the same guy: all-everything candidate Draymond Green, who plays a rugged brand of point forward with the strength to body people in the paint and unreal rebounding talent, bringing down 9.8 per game. D-Raymond is probably my favorite player to watch in the Big Ten right now. Its a weird role, but it encompasses Green's talents and playing style perfectly.
Why were Northwestern's two games against MSU close last year?: Really good question. Northwestern did not play well in either game: in the first game, John Shurna was hampered by his ankle and shot 1-for-11, and in the second, Shurna was hampered by Delvon Roe, and shot 2-for-10 with several comically blocked shot attempts. Yet, one game was a three-point loss on a tip-in by Green in the game's final ten seconds, the second went to OT after Northwestern had a late lead but couldn't get off a shot with the ball and the game tied.
I'd argue the first game wasn't exactly close. Northwestern was down 13 with two and a half minutes left, and the determination, pure luck, and skill of Juice Thompson rallied the Cats to 12 straight points, including nine by Thompson. Other than that freak stretch, NU was solidly beaten by the Spartans.
The second was a combination of a masterful first-half defensive performance - the 1-3-1 worked excellently - and poor offense - regardless of how well you play, MSU won't often put up 18 points in a half.
Can NU win?: Some of the things which murdered NU in the past - tough to stop Lucas, and Roe pestered NU defensively - are gone, which bodes well for Northwestern. So I wouldn't put it past the Cats to throw some kinks in what should be a blowout after two tough performances last year.
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NU has got to break through
And I think they’ll do it tomorrow. No team is invincible, and NU is (hopefully) hungry for that marquee win. I know I am as a fan.
Would like to see Carmody play some more small ball if Marco/Cobb are ready to go. Maybe peppering in the 1-3-1 at random points to keep MSU on their toes. Hopefully we can keep the offense going throughout the game. If we score at least 5 points (not average, minimum 6) between every media timeout, I think we win.
We need DC in beast mode too… go Cats!
This.
We need a lot of stuff to go right, but I really like that BC has shown a willingness to mix things up a little bit AND try to take the home crowd out of it for stretches. MSU isn’t going to miss 8 straight shots to start the game, but delivering a little gut punch to the green-and-white faithful early, as it did in Michigan, will do just fine.
But to your “peppering” and “small ball” ideas, I agree. Obviously we don’t have one consistent game-changer in our arsenal, but perhaps not allowing teams to get comfortable with one specific set or lineup could turn into “our thing”.
I might not be by a TV tonight… Go ’Cats!
Triple derp.
Forgot it was a home game. Either way, take the MSU faithful out of the game. I hate noise in those damn rafters. Irregardless, still a game I won’t be at.
Go ’Cats still applies, I think.
MSU - 78; NU - 62
I don’t see this being close. NU has lost two very close games, the last one if very mentally dejecting fashion, and as a result, I think NU is just not that pumped up. I think the crowd will be tepid at best given this season, and with an exciting slate of playoff games ahead, I think people’s minds are elsewhere.
This is the last opportunity in a while to beat a ranked team (maybe Wisco will be ranked when NU plays them), but this is a huge game for that. If NU loses, I think the conversation about making the tournament will just end, and more importantly, it might signify a real conversation about moving on from Carmody.
I just can’t belive NU is 1-3 already, it would be so different if NU was 3-1. But, hey, if/would have/should have/could have is loser talk, so NU is 1-3 and that’s that.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 AM CST reply actions
Just a couple thoughts.
1. I don’t see us winning this one either.
2. I wouldn’t underestimate the crowd just yet. Illinois was pretty good (and I love the I-L-L cheer being shouting down til the very end), and the NU student group in charge of getting a max turnout is doing a pretty good job hyping it. So don’t be too quick to dismiss this.
3. Losing to three ranked teams is an excuse to have a “real conversation”? Ugh. Derp derp derp, let’s pretend we argued. Deal?
Rebuttal.
1. Agree.
2. I hope I’m wrong. I’m just judging the hype by what I see on SoP, Rivals, and LTP. So, you are correct; I could be dead wrong. Also, I hope to be.
3. Sure, I don’t want to start this up again, but be honest with yourself, do you think NU basketball is on the rise? Do you believe this year or even next NU will make the tourney? Do you ever believe Carmody will produce a top 4 Big Ten team?
We have PLENTY of season left, so a string of wins changes everything.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 13, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
And to finish.
1. Womp.
2. I’m pretty sure you will be.
3. Yes, I honestly believe we can. No sense trying to change my optimism.
But then again, remind me how we define optimism…?
/trolltrolltroll
No worries, I won't take the bait. Let's debate Carmody later.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 13, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
I always believe the MSU game is based on refs
I’m sure this is only my cheap theory, but Izzo usually tries to rough up the Cats with tough defense and blatantly bumping cutters across the lane.
If the refs call a tight game, the Cats have a chance. If the refs are loose, forget about it.
Oh, definitely this.
If you watched any of MSU-Iowa the other night, Fran McCaffery went batshit insane (see: chair-slamming) because of how much hand-checking and bumping MSU was playing.
Not so fast.
You know I’m with you on He Who Sits with His Head in his hands. But I’m not giving up hope for The Dance just yet.
Yes, our last two losses have been particularly painful. But when I looked at the B1G schedule going in, I figured we would be 2-2 at best at this point, on our way to a tourney-clinching 9-9. We are only a game behind that. And looking ahead, 9-9 looks plausible.
Of course, that assumes Cobb and Marco are healthier and start contributing more, that Luka awakes from his stupor and plays at least to his mediocre mean, and that we get a quality home win vs. either Purdue or Michigan.
Looking ahead:
MSU: L (1-4)
Wisky: L (1-5)
Minny: W (2-5)
Purdue: W (3-5)
Huskers: W (4-5)
Illni: W (5-5)
Iowa: W (6-5)
Purdue: L (6-6)
Indiana: L (6-7)
Minny: W (7-7)
Blue: L (7-8)
Sanduskies: W (8-8)
Sullingers: L (8-9)
Iowa W (9-9)
There you have it. Da-da-da-DA-da-DA-da-da …
by SeattleCat on Jan 13, 2012 4:53 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wow.
SCat, love the optimism, but there are three to four games that I just don’t have confidence in. Namely at Illinois, home Purdue, and road Minnesota. I originally thought 8-10 and after nonconf, I went to 7-11 (Indiana is 10x better than I thought), and through four Big Ten games, I’m keeping us at 7-11, but barely.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 13, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
I think we're due
A few things to keep in mind:
1. Other than Baylor and Ohio State (arguably both Top 10 or even Top 5 teams), we’ve been close in every game (including the lost in last possession games against Illinois and Michigan).
2. The Big Ten this year? Almost SURELY the best conference in basketball this year, and maybe the best conference in basketball in recent MEMORY. Honestly, depending on how brackets shake out, couldn’t you see 2, 3, or even 4 B1G teams making the Final Four (yeah….4 is probably out of the question….but I could EASILY see Indiana, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and MSU being Final Four contender teams).
3. Because the B1G is so tough, our losses hide how well/competitive we are.
4. Because the B1G is so tough, any team seems able to beat any other team on any given night. I think there are only 2 teams, maybe, that we have no hope against (Indiana and Ohio State). Other than that? If we play well, we’ll be in every game.
5. Per Rodger’s column, at some point, the mean in these one-possession games will win out….we’re due for some close wins.
So, hopefully? MSU is the start of something special. GO CATS!
Not dismissing anything you said, but...
….I thought you were kinda down on NU hoops/Carmody, etc. Am I wrong?
I also do agree that NU is ‘due’, but I thought that would come at Michigan.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 13, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
No, I'm fatalistic when it comes to NU hoops.
Doesn’t mean I’m down on Carmody or our team. Frankly, see #2 above…..this could be the BEST Northwestern team of all time, and STILL we might miss the tournament, simply because the B1G is THAT tough.
That would be the most Northwestern thing of all time, by the way….
Ok.
I agree that the Big Ten is very strong. Not sure if I would go as far as ‘best conference in recent memory’, the Big East had some great seasons recently, but I do agree w/your general premise.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, this is the BEST NU team of all time? Based on what? I hope that is the case and could be, but right now, the 2008-09 team that was 8-10 with 2 HUGE road wins at MSU and at PU is holding that ranking right now.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 13, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
And people have accounted for Big Ten's depth.
In their tourney projections, that is why people have/had eight Big Ten teams in the tourney. Too bad NU is blowing those chances away.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 13, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Based on the fact....
….that I think this NU team would beat any other NU team, straight up, head-to-head, over a 7-game series. Much more depth, much better health (at least so far), much more scoring, more balanced defense….last years’ team was good, but I think having healthy Shurna trumps the drop-off from Juice to Sobo (which, shockingly, is not as steep as once believed)….
I would say the 08-09 team would win a seven game series 4-1.
Craig Moore, Kevin Coble, Juice T, John Shurna, Jeremy Nash over this team 10x out of 10.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 14, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
thought that just struck me...
does anyone else get the feeling that Drew Crawford is Northwestern’s version of Carlos Boozer?
What does that mean?
That they are both light skinned black guys? How is Carlos Boozer and Drew Crawford similar?
Height – no
Position – no
NBA potential – no
Conf accolades – no
I am not trying to be a jerk, but how are Boozer and Crawford at all comparable?
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 13, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Also.
How are …instead of How is?
But, are you saying that Crawford is like Boozer in that he is the inconsistent 2nd fiddle on a team? I really don’t see any comparison or parallel, please educate me.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 13, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
it's mostly their roles
Both seem to be very talented, very inconsistent, supposed to complement the star type players. Both like taking low percentage mid-range jumpers (and occasionally making a bunch). Both seem to have generally disappointed in terms of met potential. And aren’t they both PFs?
by pfoley on Jan 13, 2012 4:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
depending on whom you talk to
Boozer has over achieved, unless you’re talking relative to his current contract. But he managed to get one which is more than most people thought of him coming into the league.
by wcgrad on Jan 13, 2012 5:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
by 'one' I mean
A max contract
by wcgrad on Jan 13, 2012 5:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ahhh.
I see what you mean. I do agree about the being the complement star player, but very different roles/positions.
No, Drew Crawford is not a PF in any form.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 13, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think so
Boozer played a totally different game than Crawford does, much more similar to a true PF. Get the ball on the low block, pop or kick out for the shot. I actually have confidence in DC making longer shots, and he’s a MUCH more skilled ball-handler than the Booz.
As far as NBA talent, Booz wasn’t lighting up the draft boards, and I think drew has more lift than Booz ever did. However, I don’t think Drew can post up too many guys on the low block the way Booz could esp. in college.
Analogous performance is debatable, but while we’re comparing Bulls players I’d classify Drew as more of a Luol Deng/Ronnie Brewer (SG/SF) role. Note, I don’t see Drew being as good as either of those guys, but I don’t know much.
Mirkoletti is more like boozer.
by wcgrad on Jan 13, 2012 5:43 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions

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