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Thoughts On Yet Another Northwestern Bowl Loss

I will preface all of this by mentioning I was drinking heavily during the game, so my recollections may be a bit hazy.

- It was a disappointing end to a disappointing season for Dan Persa. He had a solid season, but clearly wasn't 100% recovered from the torn Achilles. And in his final career game, he averaged just 5.8 yards per completion and rushed for -39 yards on 10 carries (this was largely due to eight sacks). He was decent, but failed to deliver the type of extraordinary performance that would have been necessary for NU to win this game.

- The offensive line is a major concern going forward. It has been bad in pass protection the last two seasons, and four year starters Al Netter and Ben Burkett are both gone. I am no expert on offensive line play, but I feel like the problem goes well beyond talent. Against Texas A&M, there were countless times where no NU lineman picked up an Aggie blitzer and said blitzer had free run at the quarterback. Meanwhile, NU's blitzers were usually picked up or at least slightly disrupted by the Aggie offensive line. Also, the NU coaching staff didn't make any adjustments to the relentless pressure, such as calling for screens or three step drops.

- As expected, the secondary was a disaster, as the Aggies picked on whichever hapless corner was filling in for Jordan Mabin. Next year, both those two will probably be starting at corner. Be afraid, be very afraid. Ibraheim Campbell seems like a promising player at safety, but that's about it.

- Many angry NU fans are demanding the firings of defensive coordinator Mike Hankwitz and secondary coach Jerry Brown. They appear to be part of the problem, but to me a bigger problem is the complete lack of talent on defense. Are there any future NFL players on the defensive side of the ball right now? Maybe Vince Browne I guess, and he had a very disappointing senior season. I believe NU's current recruiting class is the best of the Fitz era, so that's at least mildly encouraging.

Star-divide

- I think the future looks bright at quarterback next season with Kain Colter. Certainly his passing needs work, but both Mike Kafka and Dan Persa have made effective transitions from run-first QB to accurate passer in Northwestern's system. Plus, all the snaps he's been taking at wide receiver have to take away from his development as a quarterback this season. With how effective he is as a runner despite the defense essentially knowing a run is coming, I think Colter has All-Big Ten upside as a quarterback. Trevor Siemian has thrown the ball in limited duty but I think Colter so talented that he needs to have the ball in his hands all game long.

And finally, a couple points on Pat Fitzgerald:

- He needs to become a better game manager. Taking a delay of game and punting rather than going for it on 4th and 8 from the 37 yard line was bad. His clock management at the end of the first half was idiotic for the second straight game. I can sort of understand deciding to go conservative on 2nd and 10, but once you've run the clock down, you have to run the ball again on 3rd down and make Texas A&M use their last timeout. The lack of a logical thought process is what's most concerning about the entire thing. Ok, we'll come out throwing. Nope, never mind, we'll go to the half down ten. Wait a minute, let's go back to throwing with 30 seconds left and one timeout from our own 30. Huh? Northwestern is unlikely to be able to out-talent the top Big Ten teams, so they need to be smarter than them, and Fitz has made way too many mistakes managing the game over the past few seasons.

- I didn't learn of this monkey-on-the-back nonsense until I got home from the game, and I'm glad I didn't see it live because I likely would have lost it. The Northwestern players are well aware of the bowl losing streak, and Fitz should be able to motivate them without embarrassing the program with that kind of puerile buffoonery. We're talking about a grown man who thought it was a good idea to put a custom made jersey on a stuffed animal in public. The monkey stunt was supposed to be for the player's benefit, but it seems to me that the pressure of the bowl losing streak is weighing more on Fitzgerald than anyone else. What's next year, a live 300 pound gorilla in a cage on the sidelines? Get it together.

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Nice post, pretty well sums it up.

And as a preemptive strike against anyone considering making the “well, we used to be horrible so it’s okay to be mediocre argument,” I’d like to say this: My freshman year was our Rose Bowl trip. It was an exciting year to be a freshman and you felt special walking on campus and seeing everyone so happy and excited about the school and football program. The dark undercurrent that I didn’t fully appreciate until years later was the total, unequivocal absence of school pride by the upperclassmen. Of the older students, most of them had a general dislike of NU at best, and outright hated the school at worst. The rest of the Big Ten, and nation, held our football team in utter contempt through 1994. As a result, from my experience, and my elders can correct me if I’m wrong, the class of ‘99 was the first class to have a vibrant, energetic school spirit. That’s not all attributable to the football team, of course, but the team is a huge part of it.

So if you’re okay with mediocrity and underperforming and want to argue that things are good enough, you need to comprehend the full implications of that argument and the effect a lackluster football team has on the student body, national perception of the school, and the entire university as an institution.

Go ’Cats.

by danwhite77 on Jan 2, 2012 5:06 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I'll call bullshit
Of the older students, most of them had a general dislike of NU at best, and outright hated the school at worst. The rest of the Big Ten, and nation, held our football team in utter contempt through 1994. As a result, from my experience, and my elders can correct me if I’m wrong, the class of ‘99 was the first class to have a vibrant, energetic school spirit.

I graduated in ‘97, and there was and is a lot of enthusiasm for the school from our class and the classes immediately before. Look at Lake The Posts… he’s class of ‘95 and probably one of the more consistent / avid fans out there. No question that the Rose Bowl put enthusiasm (and new applications) into warp drive, but keep in mind that ’93-’94 was pretty exciting from a basketball perspective (first NIT in years), and even in ‘93 and ’94, people knew that football was on an upswing and that a Bowl probably wasn’t too far away. We were both lucky to be at NU at a special time, but there was excitment about the school before the Rose Bowl and there will be excitement for other reasons going forward. Sports help, but if you can’t find something exciting / meaningful to you about NU in the absence of football success, you’re probably paying way too much for your education.

by GTom on Jan 3, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't say the upperclassmen were right

That was simply my perception of NU circa the fall of 1995. That’s why I dropped the correct me if I’m wrong remark in my comment. There are always exceptions that prove the rule (LTP guy and many others), and I don’t necessarily disagree with what you’re saying. But from my experience interacting with a diverse group of upperclassmen (dorks, athletes, stoners, etc.) that’s what I saw as a general rule.

by danwhite77 on Jan 3, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Secondary

Daniel Jones I thought actually played decently. For a redshirt freshman playing his second game, I think he’s all right. Campbell is going to be fine. The biggest question is who can come in to replace Peters? Right now it looks like Hunter Bates, maybe Jimmy Hall.

Agreed on all other points – run defense has gotten better thanks to good LBs, DLine is strong against the run but there needs to be more pressure.

by CompactDisc on Jan 2, 2012 5:54 PM CST reply actions  

Five keys for 2012

1. Announce a $300m capital drive as soon as possible
2. Align the admissions standards to match Stanford
3. Place our best players, on the d-side of the ball,
4. Scrap the spread and go to a pro-set
5. Give Fitz 1 more year or else…

Dikaia Upotheke - Justice Our Foundation

by Lord Willie on Jan 2, 2012 6:08 PM CST reply actions  

why do you want to scrap the spread?

personally, thats the thing I like most about our team

by JerseyShore@NU on Jan 2, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree

(my shitty-ass laptop just deleted 4 paragraphs, so I’ll try to be more short-winded this time; also apologies as Wisconsin’s horrid clock management has driven me to drink)

We absolutely should NOT, EVER lower our admissions standards for athletes (or even just football players). Doing so makes us cheap sell-outs. The point is to win with smart kids. ND has sold out. Watching Stanford play today all I could think was “those kids aren’t real Stanford studends.” NU is an elite university. Lowering our academic standards just for a few football wins is not elite, its a cop out. Two other things: Randy Walker used to talk about how his offense was so good because his kids were so smart that it could be really complex. Also, when I was a freshman in 2001 two things made me an NU fan for life. The first was the excitement of the win over MSU with Victory Right setting up the FG. Second was that the team’s goals that year, as stated on the board in their locker room, were, in order, 1) Get Straight A’s, 2) Win the Big Ten, 3) Win A National Champoinship. In my opinion, there is no other acceptable order for those goals. Lowering admissions standards is a joke — its not Northwestern then, its just another school.

Our best players are offensive players. Thats because we have a history of success on offense, so talented teenagers want to come play offense at NU. In contrast, we have a 15 year history of defensive failure, so its much harder to recruit defensive guys. Now if you want to recruit guys who played two ways in HS only for their defensive positions, thats another thing, but these talanted kids come to NU because NU tells them they can play offense. Since we only win when we outscore people, lets not cripple our offense to build our defense. Instead, leets use superior coaching and player development to get the most we can out of our players.

Why on earth would you want to scrap the spread? Are you just old school and biased? The Spread has been our (very successful) bread and butter since 2000.

I do hope they unveil their facilities plan and start fundraising though.

by laxpuck on Jan 2, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

im curious as to how you have concluded that the stanford football players

are not real stanford students. because they’re good at football? do you have inside knowledge of their majors and GPAs?

a quick google search indicates that stanford was 10th in the nation and first by a mile in the Pac-12 in graduation rate based on players who enrolled from 2001-2004, at 87%. Northwestern was 2nd at 94%. Is a 7% difference really indicative that Stanford is shamelessly lowering their academic standards to win?

by Loretta8 on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Read it somwhere

Couldn’t remember where: my quick google search found this:

http://www.pigskinu.com/justsayin/2011/02/stanford-football-players-need-to-clear-admissions/

Another website cites that admissions standards has recently been raised at Stanford, and Harbaugh got them lowered again.

I read it on the internet, so it must be true, right?

by laxpuck on Jan 3, 2012 6:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Be careful what you say.

You do realize that NU does have lower admissions for its atheletes. It is as low as other schools, probably not, but here’s my question (again). Why does an athlete having a lower bar to get in effect you and your degree at Northwestern?

The example I give is does DeSean Jackson going to Berkeley reduced that school? Does Corey Magette or William Avery going to Duke reduce that school?

Plus, Stanford went to two BCS bowls back to back, and now Harvard is good at college bball. Yet, NU is pretty damn weak at both, but we hold on to some mythical APR and graduation rate trophy, that’s what you want?

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 7:34 AM CST up reply actions  

my take on this

your point about not selling out to win football games is a good one. i wouldnt like it if Northwestern admitted kids of questionable character who were likely to embarrass the program off the field, or kids who didnt have the scholastic aptitude for the school work and thus had to be funneled into easy majors and greatly aided by “tutors” who essentially did their homework for them. the former is bad for NU, the latter is exploitation. neither is good.

however, there’s a very large gap between the admissions resume of the average NU student and the aptitude necessary to complete the coursework at NU. the vast majority of students who apply to NU are capable of handling the coursework should they put effort in, its just that there are only x number of spots available in each freshman class and far more people than that apply.

in the case of Stanford, the players are still graduating (as far as i can tell) and no one is embarrassing the program off the field (a google of “stanford football arrests” turned up nothing). so whats the problem with what they’re doing?

i think what Northwestern should be about is admitting kids who are exceptional in one area or another and furthering their education and giving them a chance to use those exceptional skills to enhance the NU community. so if a kid is mediocre in the classroom and talented at football, but willing to put effort into both areas, he sounds like someone who would be great for what Northwestern is trying to do. i don’t see what the issue is with admitting such a student, even if he would never get in without football. just because someone cant get into Northwestern doesnt mean theyre stupid.

by Loretta8 on Jan 3, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

L8, you and I agree so much. I don’t know why more people don’t feel like you. People who say Stanford sold out and lowered admissions drastically are just jealous and mad. I’ll say it again, why are people so hell bent to have the #1 academic team representing NU? I can find MUCH smarter athletes than we have currently, too bad they can’t play D1 BCS sports.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I do!

I think you guys are spot on about this. Nobody wants Northwestern to start recruiting at the State Penn, but as L8 said, there’s an awful lot of kids who could do the work but can’t get in.

I propose a two part admissions test in order to keep faith with the townies like me that you’re asking to pay ever-increasing ticket prices: 1) Does the coach want him? and 2) Is he capable of earning a degree? If you get two yes’s, you let him in and for God’s sake you don’t let him go to Iowa. Periodically you reevaluate to assure the coach’s track record continues to merit the benefit of the doubt regarding character, etc.

I realize that’s easy for me to say since it’s not my degree at risk of being “devalued.” I appreciate the ability to point my young son to pretty much any NU athlete as a role model but I’m also worried about the value of my season tickets being devalued because the team is about to drop out of bowl contention.

by subwayalum90 on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I think

the difference in our opinions is that, for me, the fact that our athlete admissions standards are higher than most (or at least several) peer schools is a source of great pride. Everyone knows that athletes aren’t held to the same standards as other students, and I’m okay with this. However, I’m proud of the fact that NU does not bend the bar as far as ND or Duke (or Stanford, if we believe the internet), and I want very much for things to stay that way.

Perhaps my views also stem from the fact that I also don’t think that the issue is strictly, or mostly, recruiting-based. I think it is coaching based first and foremost. Player development (outside the QB position) and game management are the problems I see with our football team.

by laxpuck on Jan 3, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Well said.

I love how people act like NU is this amazing institution that has ethics 10,000 x higher than every other school.

Just laughable.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure what's laughable

But NU almost certainly has one of the strictest, if not the strictest, admissions criteria in the FBS. Duke has long been known as a program with academic standards for its athletes below those of similar schools, Notre Dame began loosening its athletic academic and disciplinary standards under Brian Kelly, and indications are that Stanford began loosening its standards under Harbaugh.

Whether or not this criteria should be relaxed is up for debate.

Also, I threw this out to LTP as an article idea, but here goes: a piece on admissions standards for athletes, comparing NU to other schools we consider our academic competition (Duke, Stanford, Notre Dame, Rice, maybe others like Georgia Tech or Vanderbilt) and possibly a couple of other B1G or SEC schools. It would be very interesting to see this comparison and would really help to frame the debate of whether or not NU should consider lowering its standards.

I recognize that kind of piece wouldn’t be easy to pull together information for, but I imagine it could be a fun bit of investigative journalism. The GPAs and tests scores for recruits are out there, so even if schools aren’t posting their standards for the public to see, a baseline could likely be established.

Just my two cents on that topic.

by bangnblame on Jan 3, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Please tell me.

Why does it matter if Stanford’s admissions IS NOT as strict at NU’s? When you watch football games, are you judging players by their GPA’s? Or are you judging by theiri performance on the field?

I’ll bring this up again, when you watched NU hoops, did you root for Sterling Williams more than you did Juice Thompson? Sterling W graduated with a 4.0 GPA, that is flat-out incredible, I don’t know a single person that did that in my time, let alone a varsity athlete. I commend him, am proud of him, and congratulate him, but I could care less that he had better grades than Juice. I’m watching basketball to watch (wait for it), good basketball.

Also, you do realize that NU bends its admissions SOME for its athletes? Why aren’t you up in arms about that?? We’re talking about an issue of degree on admissions.

Plus, remember NU won 2 Big Ten titles with the same admissions, so that clearly isn’t the hurdle.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not arguing against changing admissions standards

Nor am I “up in arms” about us having looser standards for our student-athletes than the general student population. I don’t believe I have ever said that, and I certainly didn’t in my above comment.

I’m simply stating that it is my belief that Northwestern’s standards for athletes are as strict as they get.

If you want my personal take on it – I want to win but I also want to maintain our standards as a program that graduates nearly all of its players. How you draw the line and strike that balance, I do not know. But I am not opposed to loosening restrictions from where they are now.

by bangnblame on Jan 3, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok, cool

I agree that NU’s standards are the strictest, but seems like we agree everywhere.

I don’t think anyone, L8 or myself, is advocating for a severe drop in standards, but a drop of reasonable proportion would be nice.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Re stuffed monkey

Dude he was just having a little fun. Puerile buffoonery? Get over yourself

All the other analysis is spot-on.

by Brad Silverman on Jan 2, 2012 8:40 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

perhaps this criticism is warranted

and i did use those words in a deliberate attempt to sound condescending. being an asshole on the internet is a lot of fun.

but the whole thing just strikes me as rather ridiculous. there’s a fine line between something being a guy just having fun and a guy acting like a jackass, and that fine line is actually winning games. its similar to how bill carmody’s hissy fits are a source of criticism for many NU fans because of his team’s struggles, yet tom izzo does the exact same stuff and no one bats an eye because his teams win. if NU wins that game and he brings the stupid monkey to the press conference and beats it up, we all think its funny and use it as a reason to praise fitz’s idiosyncratic behavior. but it seems a lot less amusing to me when NU loses yet another game in a disappointing season.

i understand that this monkey stunt likely didn’t have any effect on the result of the game. i think i am just frustrated by all the time, money and effort i have devoted to going to NU’s last four bowl games, only to see them lose all four times.

by Loretta8 on Jan 2, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Seconded.

Also, all these goofy gimmicks are silly when your rhetoric has been bombastic this entire year and you deliver 6-6 (3-5) with a bowl loss to a team in transition.

To me the money on the back isn’t the bowl wins, but rather how the program is in decline. That’s the real problem.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Question from an outsider

I didn’t see the monkey thing. But I did see Fitz, a large number of times, being rather demonstrative on the sidelines during the game. One frequent criticism some Iowa fans, such as myself, have of Ferentz is that he is always stoic, almost statue-like, on the sideline, that he seems afraid of showing emotion. Then I saw Fitz, and thought he looked like a buffoon. There is undoubtedly a middle-ground, and each person’s tolerances will differ, but I was wondering what the general thoughts on Fit’s sideline behavior were from the jNW (c’mon, you knew that was coming) fanbase

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

i think most people like it

but will become more and more annoyed by it if NU continues on their steady decline of the last few seasons.

same thing with Ferentz, im guessing no one was complaining about his sideline demeanor when he was taking Iowa to the Orange Bowl, now that the program is struggling a bit something that was ignored becomes annoying.

id look to Les Miles as an example of this. doing absurd things like eating grass is endearing when youre contending for national titles, but if they were at the bottom of the SEC west with Ole Miss, it would be grounds that he’s insane and should be fired.

by Loretta8 on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

It's as much a matter of personal taste as anything

I freely admit. And there is no “right” answer. It’s just that you can quickly look buffoonish, or worse. Case in point, in the 4th qtr, Northwestern was driving inside the red zone when an A&M player went down. Fitz was shown on the sidelines waving his arms and rolling his eyes rather theatrically, leaving the announcers to believe he thought the injury was fake. Which has certainly become an issue (faking injuries) I think the NCAA needs to address. But it also became incredibly apparent, both from replays and how long the A&M defender was down, that the injury was legit. And Fitz really looked like an ass on that one, something that was easily avoidable if he had just kept his cool a bit more. Anyway, not a huge deal, just wondering what y’all’s thoughts were.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 3, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Honestly...

I don’t know what was shown on TV as I was at the Bowl in person, but 98% of what I see from Fitz on the sidelines (and I’m usually pretty close, given where my seats are at Ryan Field) is just pure, clean enthusiasm for the game that shouldn’t really cause anybody any heartache. It’s a game. A game for young men who aren’t getting paid, probably aren’t going to be drafted, and Fitz does what he can to make sure they have a good experience. The other 2% is usually a questionable call by the refs, and even then he argues a play or two, but doesn’t usually carry on for longer than that. What I’m really proud of is that he doesn’t get down on his players – after Jones blew a coverage play against MSU, Fitz pulled him aside for a 5-minute “coaching up” session that ended with a pat on the head and a Freshman who was thrown into a tough situation with his head still held up. Compare that to Brian Kelly turning purple, and I’ll take Fitz any day of the week.

by GTom on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

The "fire and passion" question...

Comes up all the time on Chicago sports radio regarding every Bears coach since Ditka. Chicago likes that kind of thing; Fitz’s antics may even be part of the entertainment value of NU football. There’s a feature on this site dedicated to it.

So, in short, ditto everything L8 said.

by subwayalum90 on Jan 3, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm w/L8.

If Fitz is winning, he is passionate, loves NU, inspires players, and represents NU well.
If Fitz is losing, he is out of control, overemotional, players tune him out, and is silly.

Guess what, he is losing, so therefore, he needs to change it.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Ditto to all...

If stoic Fitz was winning he would be cool, collected, and in control.
If stoic Fitz was losing, he would be aloof, dispassionate, and un-inspiring.

So, the answer is winning = good, losing = bad. I’m sure that comes as a shock to everyone.

by GTom on Jan 3, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, you didn't say anything here.

His “antics” are not what are losing games. Go back and read what GTom said. There are coaching problems, yes, you’re absolutely right. But your disdain for Fitz leads to your conclusion when, in reality, your two sentences before that make the point that (just like HoyaGoon notes with Ferentz) reaction to his sideline demeanor depends on his W/L record.

I don’t think you quite understand what “therefore” means. There are a lot of factors that affect losing, and you just sound foolish if you think that his sideline demeanor is what needs to be changed.

by MNWildcat on Jan 3, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Fitz's passion

Sure, I’d like it a hell of a lot more if we were winning right now. But win or lose, I’d rather do it with Fitz’s sideline demeanor than Carmody’s awkward shrugs and foot stomps or Brian Kelly’s YEEAAARGHH IM GON KILL YOU face.

by bangnblame on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, this.

Are there awkward moments, like the A&M player actually being hurt? Of course. But it’s nice to know he has a pulse.

It’s the 7 losses that mount this frustration with his demeanor. He’s not some Brian Kelly or Bo Pelini.

by MNWildcat on Jan 3, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

just get back

from your first day of statistical inference? (i kid)

by MNWildcat on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Brent Musberger skipped that class

“That timeout by Bielema threw Oregon out of its rhythm, that’s why they had to punt. …” (I’m paraphrasing his after-the-fact justification)

by RotoJeff on Jan 3, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Reminded me too much of Gerg

Remember him on the sidelines the previous season, shoving a stuffed animal in one of his defensive player’s grill?

by RotoJeff on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

The spread is so two thousand and late...

Big boy football does not rely on the spread to win games. They run the ball well, set-up the pass with running and play light outs between the O-tackles. Might not go complete pro-set, but a nice variation where we use a throwin’ QB and RBs, allows us to recruit better HS players cause they all want to play in the NFL one day.

As for the monkey, did ND ever promote or mention their 9-game losing streak in bowls? No, they never ever made it a point. We, NU have created the monkey and now it is the 800 lb go-rilla…

Dikaia Upotheke - Justice Our Foundation

by Lord Willie on Jan 2, 2012 9:07 PM CST reply actions  

tell that to the packers or the saints

What kind of offense do you think they run? We can move the ball, and have moved the ball on anyone. In game adjustments are a prob but our overall offensive philosophy is solid, and simple: get the ball in the hands of our best playmakers. NU has excelled at Multiple styles with multiple different types of QBs. Anyhow, pinning our philosophy on one system is probably not helpful anyway.
I do want to see if we can turn some of this WR talent into DB talent. I think wrinkles like using V mark as a spy in 3rd and long could help. I think next year will be fun to watch because there’s a lot of talent on the roster and since I think Fitzgerald is an effective coach, we’ll see development.

by wcgrad on Jan 2, 2012 11:01 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions   2 recs

My point on the spread is two-fold

1. An O with FBs, TEs helps us divresify our approach and makes opponents work twice as hard to defend — i.e Stanford the last 3 years

2. The spread dedicates they type of players we recruit and the type of players who are interested in this offence. Less spread helps us recruit a different type of player. A bigger more physical type of player.

Dikaia Upotheke - Justice Our Foundation

by Lord Willie on Jan 3, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it's the other way, LW.

The spread has grown, from the best I can tell, from the kinds of players we’ve been able to get. As a result, there’s only so much we can do with the players we have, and the spread helps that.

Would I mind some pro-style looks? Not at all. But you have to be able to get the players.

by MNWildcat on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm agnostic on the spread

But to play devil’s advocate,

1) I think it could be argued that the spread is a lot more diversified than a pro-set, which features a FB almost exclusively to block and a TE to block at least 50% of the time. With a spread, you have 4 or 5 receivers, plus a mobile QB who can beat you with the pass or run. That would seem to mean a more diverse offense that’s harder to defend against.

2) Bigger, physical players are what every program wants, and they’re at a premium. Running an offense that doesn’t require as much bulk up and down the lineup might be an under the radar way for us to find good athletes, i.e. our seemingly never-ending string of quality wide receivers.

Put it this way, our spread offense allowed guys like Dan Persa and Zeke Markhausen to shine. Persa might have done well in a pro-style offense, but he probably wouldn’t have the ideal size for it, and his elusiveness as a runner would be marginalized. And Markhausen wouldn’t have the size or speed or strength to excel in a set where he has to beat CBs one-on-one every play. In a spread formation, he can exploit gaps in the zone, or if there’s man-to-man, he’s one of four or five receivers trying to get open.

by Herman on Jan 3, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

wrong thread i guess, but

Thanks Mountain Tiger
for the link earlier this season to the clock management article from smart football. I have used it to give solace to my Badger friends (it has simply made them call even more loudly for Bielema’s head).

Also, are we getting a play of the week, or was it just too depressing?

by laxpuck on Jan 3, 2012 12:06 AM CST reply actions  

Looks like no staff changes...

artlicle from Teddy Greenstein http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-source-no-staff-changes-for-nu-football-20120103,0,2142893.story

I’ve made it clear that I am a Fitz supporter but even I thought we needed to make a change somewhere on the defensive staff

by JerseyShore@NU on Jan 3, 2012 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

You must be joking...

NU is one of the worst defenses in the country and nothing will change. Coaches aren’t changing at all? Really? So, what should get better next year? This is two (if not longer) of horrendous defenses.

This is just pathetic and sad. Chad, where are you to defend this garbage?

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

Neither of us attend practice, are involved in prep sessions for games, know what happens in recruiting, attend film sessions, or see frankly ANYTHING regarding what goes on behind the scenes at Northwestern football.

So do I trust Fitz’s assessment? Yes. Yes I do. Mike Hankwitz and/or Jerry Brown didn’t just forget everything they knew about coaching football.

We have some young, highly ranked recruits coming in/done redshirting and ready to contribute. This season was disappointing, as many have noted, but keep in mind Fitz’s earliest recruiting classes were his weakest (he was an unknown as a coach) and those guys were this year’s seniors/juniors. His best recruiting classes were this years’ redshirts/sophomores/freshmen….and many played a lot of minutes this year. That experience will pay off shortly.

Next year, we have a dynamic QB (Colter) and an experienced backup (Siemien), experienced RBs (Green, Trumpy, Smith) with a highly regarded recruit (Jones), a deep WR corps (Lawrence, Christian Jones, Tony Jones, Mark), 3/5ths of our O-line back and highly regarded recruits ready to step in. On defense, we have Tyler Scott (probably our best D-lineman all season), a lot of D-lineman (Hampton/Carter) who got experience this year, a stable LB corps, and Campbell back in the secondary (clearly our weakest position, but that’s no different than this year).

Go ahead. Write this team off. I’m gonna believe we’ve improved our talent through recruiting, are continuing to do so, and will soon be even better….even with the same coaching staff (a staff that Fitz trusts, and that Phillips is willing to trust because Fitz trust them…and so I trust them too).

by Chadnudj on Jan 3, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahahahaha.

I love this blind optimism. So, with all your pros about this team next year, let me hear it, let me hear another 10-2 prediction. I will tell you right now that any prediction over 8-4 is flat-out something you don’t believe but rather wish for.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I don't believe that.

Let’s see how recruiting turns out, etc. before making predictions.

I’d say 5-7 to 9-3 is probable/possible, though. Certainly. But let’s relax a bit before making predictions…we have spring practices, recruiting, fall/summer practices, and the unknown of who our opponents lose to the NFL, etc. before we make a prediction.

by Chadnudj on Jan 3, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, cool.

There’s a part of me that would see 5-7 as the continuing decline of Fitz, but to be honest, I even have more faith than that. I do see a 7-5 to 6-6 being the most likely.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what to think

I feel good about Colter and think he will be even better next year. I like our other offensive skill positions for next year despite losing Ebert/Dunsmore. I just can’t feel good about our O line or really any part of our defense at this point.

Here’s hoping to a more successful next season. Lord knows we have plenty of time to wring our hands about the 2012 season between now and the opener.

by bangnblame on Jan 3, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

to be fair

I do attend practice, but don’t know how other schools and coaches operate practice, so I’m not going to say anything.

by Rodger Sherman on Jan 3, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Do they practice defense?

Do they practice tackling?
Do they practice telling their secondary when it is zone vs man coverage?
Do they practice not letting a WR get 5-6 yards past them?

Those would be good things to work on.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

rhetorical question gets serious answer

they don’t do tackling every practice, which I believe is part NCAA regulations and part injury prevention, but I assume they practice it behind closed doors.
But, yeah.

by Rodger Sherman on Jan 3, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I laughed out loud at this one.

Then became depressed after reading Rodger’s reply. Maybe they can watch instructional video on tackling.

by danwhite77 on Jan 3, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Is our tackling that bad?

I remember thinking it was an issue last season, but I thought we improved quite a bit in that area this season. More alarmed by a couple stats I looked up:

Sacks/pass attempts (offense):
NU (4th most sacks): 43/407
USC (fewest sacks): 8/447

Pass yards per attempt allowed (defense):
NU (6th worst): 8.5
Alabama (best): 4.4

by bangnblame on Jan 3, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a lot of blame to spread around on D

I suppose the absence of the secondary was probably a bigger problem than the tackling.

by danwhite77 on Jan 3, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

And the lack of pressure on the QB

Allowed way too much time for WRs to get open on our already-weak secondary.

by bangnblame on Jan 3, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Not surprised by this

1. Fitz is loyal to a fault

2. Despite what some think, NU coordinator is not a plum job, unless you are in the MAC or 1AA

3. Philips is not pushing the issue, yet…

Dikaia Upotheke - Justice Our Foundation

by Lord Willie on Jan 3, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure what's more disappointing...

That decision or the lack of time it seems to have been considered. Didn’t even make those guys sweat a little.

by subwayalum90 on Jan 3, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

A quick decision probably matters for recruiting sake

For that matter, it’s the humane thing – not that many assistant openings. Even if we don’t necessarily want to retain them, I don’t begrudge them the opportunity to find a job in their chosen profession.

by RotoJeff on Jan 3, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

huh?

I’m not sure what you meant here Jeff, but it concerns me that the common thread of recruiting (Fitz) and coaching (Fitz, Hankwitz, Brown) has been TERRIBLE the past two years and nothing will change going forward.

I would LOVE to see what the optimism is for next season. Losing Persa and many other skilled offensive players, keeping same coaches, same tier of recruiting as before and more difficult out of conf schedule.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Except...

….that according to EVERY RECRUITING SERVICE AND EXPERT OUT THERE, our current/last two or three recruiting classes are the best we’ve ever had, and getting better.

So your entire premise is wrong. Again.

by Chadnudj on Jan 3, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, I agree.

Our recruiting classes are getting better compared to EACHOTHER. But, is it better than the competition?

Carmody’s recruiting classes have gotten better than some of the garbage he brought in a while ago, so what, it’s not good enough.

Stop comparing to past Cats team, rather compare to current Big Ten teams.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

YES

God, you are willfully obtuse. Our recruiting classes are getting better. Period. In comparison to our previous classes, and in comparison to our Big Ten brethren. EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGES THIS except you.

Forgive me, but I’ll trust Lemming/Scout/Rivals/ESPN, who ALL say our recruiting is getting better and better.

by Chadnudj on Jan 3, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Are these the same services that rank

NU’s recruiting 12 out of 12? B/c I heard from you the entire summer that those rankings aren’t truly reflective of the caliber of talent.

Can’t have it both ways.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Prove it

Find me where Northwestern was ranked 12 out of 12 in the Fitz era (all stats below are from Rivals).

Currently, we’re ranked 9th. In 2011, we were 11th. In 2010 we were 10th. In 2009 we were 9th. In 2008 we were 11th. In 2007 we were 9th. In 2006 we were 11th. (Oh, and all of those included Nebraska in the rankings). So we’ve NEVER been 12th.

But that ignores another problem — that class rankings are weighted HEAVILY by class size, and we almost ALWAYS have smaller class sizes (because our players stay/graduate, we keep them eligible, and we red-shirt frequently). Indeed, if you look AWAY from the total score (based heavily on class size) and towards the average star rankings, we’re MUCH more highly ranked by Rivals. And those numbers are higher under Fitz than they were pre-Fitz.

The experts/services all say we’ve improved significantly. We’ve improved talent, and given our track record of developing talent (if you’ve noticed, we’ve outperformed our recruiting rankings significantly in terms of won/loss record) we’ll be better down the road.

by Chadnudj on Jan 3, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

Chad, 2011 there were only 11 teams!!!!

So, our recruiting is improving and our development is improving right? Why is NU 6-6 (3-5), what is the reason?

Your issue w/me is that I only see the negative (win/loss record), but my issue w/you is that you only see the positive (not wins & losses).

- Did you enjoy this season?
- Would this season’s performance be considered disappointing?
- Do you believe Pat F will lead NU to a Big Ten title in his tenure?
- Do you think Pat F is a good coach in the Big Ten?

My answers, no, yes, hell no, and not even a conversation topic.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh

The rankings by Rival have thrown Nebraska in for comparison for all of those past years. We’ve never finished last. So your’e wrong.

NU was 6-6 because this years’ upperclassmen (seniors/juniors) were from earlier, weaker recruiting classes when Fitz first started and was an unknown. There were certainly great guys in those classes (Persa, Ebert, Dunsmore, Peters), but broadly and deeply, they were weaker classes. Next year’s juniors/sophomores/redshirt freshmen will be some of the most talented (in terms of rankings) ever to put on purple.

1. I enjoyed the season. I enjoy every season, frankly. I’m disappointed we didn’t win more, I’m troubled by the defense, and don’t like being 6-7….but we were competitive in EVERY DAMN GAME. I’ve seen enough 40+ point losses to Ohio State/Michigan in my life…forgive me for enjoying it more when we either win, or lose close, rather than just win or lose big.

2. Disappointing? Yes. We should have beaten Army, Illinois, and probably Michigan or Iowa or Penn State, given how close we were in those games (including 2nd half leads or ties in those games). We arguably should have been more competitive in the bowl game against Texas A&M, and/or won it. But disappointing is FAR different than being disastrous, which you seem to trumpet at every turn. Forgive me for not being Chicken Little when we came out on the wrong side of some close games this year…

3. Yes. Undoubtably. He led us to a 9-3 season in 2008 (5-3) which was pretty damn close to winning the Big Ten (we should have beaten Indiana, which would have put us damn close to the leaders at 7-1). Why is it doubtful that a passionate coach who is getting a much needed facilities upgrade soon and who has won in a very tough job and is turning around the national perception of our program MIGHT win a Big Ten title??

4. Yes. A damn good coach. Ask his players, ask the media/experts, and more importantly ask his opposing coaches/players….they’ll all tell you he’s a GREAT coach, and doing more at Northwestern than ANY other candidate could.

by Chadnudj on Jan 3, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Hmm

I concede on never finishing last in recruiting rankings, rather the bottom 2-3.

Interesting reason for why NU was bad this year, hadn’t heard that before, but I’ll buy some of that. Good thing to know expectations are higher next year, hmm.

1. So, would you rather be 3-5 w/all close losses or be 5-3 with three blowout losses? Just curious. I’ve seen many 40+ losses as well, but a loss is a loss to me.

2. Here comes the should haves. Yes, 6-6 (3-5) is disastrous to me given expectations, Heisman campaign, and schedule.

3. That seems like a LONG time ago. More should have. Here comes facilities, can’t wait for those to be built, b/c after that clearly NU will be on top of the Big Ten.

4. I don’t care what players think, b/c he is the one that recruited them. I don’t care what media thinks and other coaches. I care about the win/loss record. Nick Saban is not popular with many players, coaches, media, and hell even some fans, yet, he’s a winner. Do I like him personally? No, but winning is what coaches are measured by. He’s doing more than who? Gary Barnett hung 2 banners, Randy Walker hung 1 banner. Fitz has gone for 9-3 to 6-6. Not really inspiring anyone.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Track record of developing talent?

If our recruiting is steadily improving (as you contest) and our win total is steadily declining (which is, alas, a fact) then how is it that our player development is not declining? If R+D=W, or R*D=W, then when R increases, and W decreases, D must decrease MORE than R!

Team Walker (and presumably Team Barnet) excelled in player development — I really believe that. Team Fitz does not seem to be doing as well. Is everyone else in the Big Ten improving THAT MUCH more than NU? I doubt it.

Also, as a talking point, NU won a Big Ten title in 2000 mostly because they had an innovative offense — people had seen very little of it, and they found it very hard to defend. Perhaps this type of cutting edge scheme is what is needed for NU to be successful (which, or course, brings me to my contention that coaching is the issue).

by laxpuck on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Ding ding ding.

This is what I want Chad to address. Why if recruiting is improving and winning is not occuring as a result, there must be a reason.

My answer, recruiting isn’t improving enough and coaching is subpar = 6-6 (3-5).

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, this is an aside.

I’m tired of people saying ‘so and so is getting beter.’ Well, isn’t everyone getting better as well? It’s not as if NU’s recruiting getting better is exclusive to us?

I can assure you that OSU and UM’s recruiting is improving.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, yes.

Michigan’s recruiting was down significantly under RichRod, and bouncing back. OSU’s recruiting will likely improve with Urban Meyer.

But there are teams in the Big Ten whose recruiting is falling/struggling, too (Penn State most notably, but Illinois/Purdue/Indiana are all still struggling, Minny isn’t that strong…heck, Nebraska only has 9 commits right now).

by Chadnudj on Jan 3, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

But, Purdue, Indiana, and Minnesota are just terrible.

I am interested in Nebraska, Illinois, PSU (bizarre situation), Iowa, etc, b/c those are the teams that NU competes against.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean that a quick decision, one way or another, matters for recruiting

If those guys are out their recruiting for us, wouldn’t it look bad if they were in limbo? When a coach’s job security is on the line, recruits know, and not just the head coach. If we want guys that are out there recruiting to make a connection with the potential recruits, they have to have a solid underpinning.

I’m not making a judgment on the ability of them to recruit one way or another with that statement.

Fire them or keep them, but the decision should come quickly after the bowl game.

by RotoJeff on Jan 3, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

What would it take for Hankwitz or Brown to be fired?

I’m just curious? How much worse does the defense have to be?

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, for argument's sake, I wouldn't base it on the bowl game.

I’d base it on the whole season. I can see the case for firing them, by the way. The Iowa game (and the confusion coming out post-game) is a pretty good foundation.

I just don’t get the “let them stew” idea. Shit or get off the pot – we have enough information one way or another to decide.

by RotoJeff on Jan 3, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I agree with making the decision quickly. And I will trust Fitz/Phillips’ decision on keeping them (just as I would have trusted if they decided to go another direction)……

Like I said — Fitz is with them and the team, and knows what they bring to the program as coaches (and also knows other coaches and whether they could come in and be better). Obviously, he thinks the program is best served with these guys coaching/recruiting….and believes that with more defensive talent, Hankwitz’s and Brown’s units will be fine/improved.

by Chadnudj on Jan 3, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Couldn't the argument be that he is too close to them.

And he cannot be objective?

Chad, do you think NU’s defense will be improved? If so, why? And did you have the same opinion prior to this season?

Jeff, I agree w/you to make a decision quickly and not overreact to the bowl game. I’m reacting to consecutive 3-5 seasons and terrible defenses.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

I think that’s a defensible stance (last 3-to-5 seasons, particularly on Jerry Brown).

by RotoJeff on Jan 3, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Jerry Brown would be a scapegoat.

The ENTIRE defense sucked for two seasons, so I think they should change it at the top of the defense (Hankwitz).

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not one to call for heads

But this seems crazy. There’s not one coaching position we thought could be better filled by an outsider or a promotion from within?

by bangnblame on Jan 3, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

to be honest

this isn’t exactly something pleasing. Fitz says all the time in press conferences that the definition of ignorance is doing the same thing and expecting a different result, and, well, that’s this. Fitz seems to genuinely believe the way to go is by building a family-like atmosphere around the program, but everybody here would trade an uncle or two from their family for someone less crazy, right?

by Rodger Sherman on Jan 3, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

ok

time to start speculating on which 5 games we’re going to win next season. The early money is on BC, South Dakota, Indiana, Minnesota, and Illinois.

by buckyor on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

I would agree 110%.

But, I do always believe that this team beats one above caliber team so pencil me in for six wins.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 3, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

quite frankly

I think both Minnesota and Illinois will be “above-caliber”, at least with respect to us. We’re losing the most accomplished senior class in our history and expecting to reverse a downward trend with no change in approach. Not exactly confidence-building.

by buckyor on Jan 3, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Until buckyor and Rodger posted this...

I was thinking stagnant 6-6 or so – but when confronted with the underwhelming names listed above, I’m starting to think a rebound to eight wins is possible. I know you meant this as a put-down of the program, buckyor, but I think you just pushed me into Chadnudj territory. Thanks – I needed that pick-me-up.

by GTom on Jan 3, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

vanderbilt

also went 6-7 this year (in a tougher conference than NU), and their new coach James Franklin is drawing rave reviews and recruiting very well. thats going to be a challenging game.

also, greg paulus.

by Loretta8 on Jan 3, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

How dare you interrupt my moment of bliss...

… with these things called “facts” and “concerns”. Serenity now… serenity now…

In all seriousness, though, Vandy got to 6-6 through their non-con, including an FCS team, a down UConn team, Army (ouch), and a meh Wake Forest squad. Their only SEC wins were against hapless Kentucky and Ole Miss, so let’s not give them a whole lot of credit for doing well in conference. In fact, they lost to a bad Tennessee squad. I’ve been watching NU for long enough to know that we can lose to anybody, but I don’t think Vandy is quite “back”, yet.

by GTom on Jan 3, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

but wake forest and uconn (especially wake) were both better than anyone weve played in non-conference since 2006.

of course, the way things have gone in the fitz era, all our non conference opponents will have terrible seasons.

by Loretta8 on Jan 3, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

this.

It seems like some of the bitching about non-con teams (FCS notwithstanding) neglects the bad-luck aspect that appears to follow the NU non-con schedule.

For what it’s worth, SI had picked Boston College to go 6-6 (4-4 ACC), Rice to go 3-9 (3-5 CUSA), UConn to go 7-5 (3-4 Big East), and Wake to go 5-7 (1-7 ACC).

The nice thing for our traditionally “soft” schedule will be playing 3 semi-comparable schools from 3 separate BCS conferences in 2012.

by MNWildcat on Jan 3, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah i like next years schedule

theres really no benefit if you play a tough non conference schedule under the current system.

by Loretta8 on Jan 3, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You just had to go there

Reading the name “Greg Paulus” was a d-punch on par with being forced to watch game tape of the NU-Hawaii fiasco of 2004.

by bangnblame on Jan 3, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That NU-Hawaii game was on the refs, pure and simple

I actually wrote an angry letter to our then-AD and told him that the calls were BS and we should never go back to the island trap. He wrote back and emphatically agreed.

by danwhite77 on Jan 3, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I completely agree

I was so furious watching that game. The fiasco of that game was the officiating. I believe the Big Ten refused to use WAC officials at Hawaii after that game (or after a subsequent B1G game at Hawaii).

by bangnblame on Jan 3, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Wisconsin get screwed by officials the next week (or week before, or next year — something) and thats when the Big Ten took action.

I believe that the WAC was cutting costs by having a Hawaii crew that only worked Hawaii games out there. While I see the logical economic reason for this, it allows for too much favoritism to build up, even if the guys weren’t biased previously.

And that game was also horrible becuase it was only on GamePlan, and it was so late at night that ESPN cut off our one-day game plan subscription before the game ended, so we had to pile into a ’Scort car our buddy was driving to listen on the radio.

by laxpuck on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, as I recall Hawaii needed to win the game to become bowl eligible

Probably for the Aloha Bowl, so the homer refs were heavily incentivized to screw us. I think the loss pushed us out of bowl contention.

by danwhite77 on Jan 4, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that game and season sucked

I, too, paid for GamePlan to watch that puke of a game. It was a fitting ending, I suppose, to a season that started with Brian Huffman’s infamous terrible, horrible, no good, very bad meltdown against TCU. We’ve lost games in just about every imaginable way, but that TCU loss still gives me nightmares.

by Herman on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

well

I wish I could be as confident. And maybe I will be come August. But seeing what we lose to graduation, I’m not sure I can be convinced that we’ll be as good next year as we were this year. And we really weren’t all that good this year.

Look, I think everyone (ok, most everyone) understands that we’re not going to get the same talent level of recruits as football powers such as Alabama, Ohio State and Oklahoma. Even with the alleged uptick in our recruiting, we’re going to be, at best, 5-6-7 in the conference recruiting rankings. So, while this is not a pleasant way to put it, we have to “do more with less”, so to speak, in order to finish in the top half of the conference.

That’s why this decision is so disheartening. It’s an assertion from the program that everything’s fine, that things are going in the right direction, when it’s obvious to anyone following the program that we are not going in the right direction. It tells me that Fitz, for all his positive qualities (and he does have them), still does not get it, and I’m beginning to wonder if he ever will.

by buckyor on Jan 3, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I strongly agree

With your last paragraph — especially last sentence. Back in 2006 or 2007 I was willing to accept that Fitz had some learning to do — that his game management needed help. But at this point, he’s been on the job for 6 years (and been in football his whole life), and his game management is just TERRIBLE. His play calling (or that of McCall/Hank) is far too conservative and his decision making on down/distance is far too conservative.

Look, I think that Fitz brings a lot to the table for NU, but it seems to me that the learning curve for these issues is akin to a square root function and as a result, I don’t think he’s going to improve that much more, certainly not in the near future.

My final point, for the time being, is that Walker’s teams’ success was based on strong offensive lines (Zach Streif and Trai Essex) and running backs (Anderson, Wright, Herron, Sutton). These are the two areas that it seems have been lacking in Fitz tenure. If he cannot improve recruiting at those positions, I think we will continue to have problems. Currently we are a passing team, with an O-line that is significantly better at run-blocking. Not really a recipe for success.

All of that said, here’s to me being pleasantly surprised and NU having great succes at every turn. GO CATS!!

by laxpuck on Jan 4, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I love it.

Buckyor and Laxpuck, this is what I’ve been saying for a LONG LONG LONG time. I know that you all think I am a one trick pony, but my trick is right on and decisions like this make me feel even stronger.

There are many, many quotes of Fitz that I didn’t like this offseason and during the season, but the one that bothered me the most is when he thinks NU is close to Indy. That to me signifies a complete disconnect with reality (I know Chad will discuss close games, but Chad, every team has close games they win or lose, NU is losing them, so they are no where close to Indy). Bowl games, conference championships, rankings, etc are not determined by margin of victory, but by the black and white reality of wins and losses, so being happy that NU is competitive is flat-out loser talk.

But, as Buckyor said, “Does Fitz get it yet?” NO. “Will he ever get it?” NO. The blind love that this administration and Phillips gave him in his contract extension took away all oversight that Fitz needed. He knows that many fans are ‘content’ with making a garbage bowl game, so as long as he can trickle to six wins, he’s happy and will not be scrutinized.

Pat Fitzgerald’s record is 40-36 (21-27), and it is not getting better. Ohh 2020, what a terrible decision by NU? So unwarranted and not NU will have to pay with mediocre performances going forward.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

So this statement:
the one that bothered me the most is when he thinks NU is close to Indy. That to me signifies a complete disconnect with reality

This just keeps showing over and over that you DON’T GET how it works. Coaches will ALWAYS say that if that team is not about to have a season like Minnesota or Indiana just did.

Regardless of result. OK? Can we spell that out any clearer? It does not mean some disconnect with reality, it does not depend on close games.

Publicly, coaches express confidence in their team’s ability to be on the cusp (if not deserving) of a championship. Regardless of losses, OK? Can you understand that?

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay, then here's another data point

Fitz tweeted this today (he retweets @Sports_Greats daily):

“You don’t win once in a while, you don’t do things right once in a while, you do them right all the time. Winning is habit. -Vince Lombardi”

Is that so? Has our defense been doing things right all the time or once in awhile? I appreciate Fitz is a competitor and at least for appearance’s sake will never back down, but he needs to backup statements like “we’re close to Indy” and these vacuous Sports Greats quotes by, I don’t know, making changes to improve on a 6-7 record.

by danwhite77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Oooh...

NU Alum made a funny.

Slow clap for you.

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

MNWildcat

I don’t insult you so stick to the argument.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Read down.

Also, losing hasn’t been a habit under Fitz. Just for the record.

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait.

You’re taking a tweet and dissecting it for literary content?

Dammit what is this world coming to?

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Western Civilization is pretty much toast at this point anyway

My point is this – rhetoric and hope doesn’t win games. Making changes to improve might win games. The former isn’t going to work, the latter might. I want Fitz to try the latter approach.

by danwhite77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we agree.

Though I wouldn’t mind the rhetoric stay the same and the changes be made, y’know?

I like that we have an outspoken coach, I just want the changes (as I mentioned below) to also take place.

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

There is a difference between confidence and not reality.

If this team was 5-3 with three very close losses and five strong wins, then sure. But, did you watch the Army game, it was not as close as the score indicated, MSU was not that close, etc.

He is not close to Indy, no one thinks that, and even his players can’t think they are ‘close.’

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

See, you're not listening.

It’s his job to say that. For the program, it’s his job. If you go on the recruiting trail, wouldn’t you want to be on the record as hyping your program as “on the cusp” of something great?

I know you’d rather he come out after games and say “Yeah, we’re a terrible team and probably are 5 years away from a conference championship,” but be serious. It is HIS JOB to say that.

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, also.

21-14, having the potential to win on the last drive, qualifies as close. The fact that NU’s offense had a derp of a day and still could win lets it be close. See? No ‘ifs’ there.

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

To clarify

I don’t mind the rhetoric so long as it’s backed up by action. Otherwise, it’s empty. Fitz makes changes and talks tough, great. HE’S TALKING THE TALK AND WALKING THE WALK. Without change, it’s just talk and talk is cheap.

We beat one real team this year – Nebraska. That’s it. Name another quality win. Clearly, changes are necessary.

by danwhite77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think many people disagree

and my apologies for not reading down.

But yeah, it’s making the changes necessary to win those close games that Chad and others always mention. But they’re close, even if people don’t like that saying.

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

More RB than OL

Those backs were quick, could cut 1,000 times better than anyone on the roster today, and were a legitimate threat to catch the ball out of the backfield (which let’s you exploit a void in the defense without having to push a defender out of the way). It’s fair to criticize Fitz for not being able to recruit a similar player to the roster and passes to the halfback seem to have utterly disappeared from our repetoire (mostly becuase our RB’s can’t catch), but the O-Line back then wasn’t any better than they are today – we didn’t blow anybody off the ball, we were just better at exploiting space through speed.

I know I’m in the minority, but Chadnudj is right when he points out that we have been competitive in every game this season, and I think that means far more than the NU blogosphere is giving it credit for. I have seen many seasons, including so-called “good” seasons, where NU just looked like it didn’t belong in the arena for a couple of games. We’re upset this year because things were so close and it’s easy to identify a couple of mistakes that cost games. The ball didn’t bounce our way like it has sometimes in the past and we didn’t quite display the same killer instinct of previous squads, but we are getting deeper at many positions and I can easily see a scenario where next year’s squad converts a few of those close L’s into W’s.

Game management is not “TERRIBLE”. Fitz has shown that he will go for it on fourth down and short in the right scenarios, including a call that won the game at Nebraska. We convert a substantial number of third downs in the 4-6 yard intermediate range so somebody is calling the right play in those situations. Sure, we run it when it’s third and seventeen, but that’s probably saved at least six interceptions a year. Yes, people kick and scream about clock management toward the end of a half, but in most of those cases, NU is playing for a score and it’s usually a mistake like a penalty that ends up de-railing what we are trying to accomplish rather than a poor strategy from the get-go. That’s just bad defense and it has little to do with game management.

I think a lot of people are going to be surprised at how well we do next year – signs of program progress are there, even if the results haven’t been good for the past two years (special teams are much better, especially punting and kickoff scenarios, contrary to comments above, tackling is much better, we did have a semblence of a run game despite injury and playing a freshman). Now excuse me while Chadnudj and I share a glass of delicious purple Kool-Aid, and I’ll see you all at the Spring game.

by GTom on Jan 4, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't get it.

GTom, I’m glad Chad has a buddy on this board, but what I don’t understand is why so many NU fans are happy w/being competitive. I get that NU football prior to Barnett was beyond bad and even during Barnett and Walker there were uncompetitive games, but do you feel good if NU is 6-6 (3-5) losing close games?

I’ll ask this again, would you rather do what occured this season or be 8-4 (4-4) with four complete blowouts? I’m just curious.

Wins and losses are the only thing that matters, if you don’t see that, then tell me what bowl games and championships are decided on margin of victory discussions.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

So 8-4 with 4 "complete blowouts"

most likely would not be happening. Kindly direct me to a non-SEC team that had that happen.

Here’s where I differ with GTom. I think coaching decisions need to be adjusted slightly; primarily end-of-half coaching, secondary coaching, and defensive coaching on the whole.

But. We discussed this earlier in the year with you were badgering Loretta for a “window” on the program’s success in wins and losses. I personally feel what’s happened is that the bottom has been shored up. I don’t think we’re going to see as many of the 2-10, 3-9, hell, even 4-8 seasons. Will a 5-7 mark slip through every so often? You bet your ass. This is the Big Ten Conference, and we’re stepping up our non-conference scheduling. But I honestly think the potential for “bottoming out” in the program has improved.

NOW, since you love answers, the next step for the coaching staff is shoring up those mistakes and raising the ceiling for NU football. We could see a lot of middling 6-6 or 7-5 seasons with a 4-4, 3-5 B1G record if some of the mistakes from this year aren’t corrected. But shoring up those mistakes, in my opinion, would have the net effect of raising the average around (pro tip: this means some records will be higher than) 6-6 or 7-5, with potential for that one season where things come together.

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Not the question?

What would you rather?

I agree about the bottoming out is at worst 6-6 or rarely 5-7. But what is the ceiling? 9-3 seems a long time ago. This was the best team in the Fitz era (ACCORDING TO FITZ) that produced 6-6, so what is the ceiling? Right now, I would welcome a 9-3 season, which still would not be THAT close to Indy, b/c it would be 9-3 (5-3).

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

What would I rather?

Are you listening? Your scenario is not realistic. That’s what I’m telling you.

And those aforementioned adjustments need to be made. That’s what moves the ceiling higher.

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Beautiful.
Just don’t equate optimism with satisfaction.

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

(High fives)

As an aside, while things can get frustrating in this comments section for one easily identifiable reason, at least we don’t have someone referring to Fitz as the “Captain of This Ship Of Fools” like one particularly vocal commenter on LTP. The same person also recommended Leslie Frazier as an ideal candidate to replace Fitz. Seriously.

by bangnblame on Jan 4, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah, Leslie Frazier.

Fearless leader of my Minnesota Vikings…

/shudder

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

This is actually a more eloquent version of what I’m trying to say. And please don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that there shouldn’t have been any coaching changes or that Fitz does no wrong and can’t improve, I just don’t think the sky is falling or that we need to make massive wholesale changes (i.e. fire Fitz) to achieve success.

by GTom on Jan 4, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not just a fan for one season

Obviously, we want as many wins as possible in any given year, and I’m not happy with 6-6 seasons. However, even during some of the later Walker years, strong win totals felt hollow when we played the likes of Michigan and Ohio State and looked like we didn’t belong in the conference. To me, it’s differentiating the results of a single season from the overall arch of the program. For example, we had a great win total in 2000 going 8-3 before the Bowl, but we lost convincingly to TCU and Purdue, and lost to a bad Iowa squad that year. We then went 4-7 in 2001 (and were pretty bad for several years), because we weren’t really all that good – we just caught fire in a bottle for a single season. Obviously, I prefer 8-4, but being 6-6 and competitive lets be know that the program is still in the hunt – 6-6 while being blown out lets me know that we have a major rebuilding project in front of us.

by GTom on Jan 4, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

None of us are fans for one season.

Fitz finished his SEVENTH season!! I’m not drawing these opinions for one or two seasons, but rather seven seasons.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

First, SIXTH season, not SEVENTH. Second, of which...

1) The team finished with a .500 or better regular season record six times. Never been done in the history of Northwestern Football.
2) After his first season, he has never won less than three conference games.
3) Has achieved two 4th place (tie) finishes in the B1G.
4) Since 2006, has the seventh most wins in conference play. Goes to Sixth most wins if you go from 2007 instead (gives some leeway for the impact of the death of Walker).

By any non-Michigan / non-Ohio State measure, that’s a pretty decent run in conference.

by GTom on Jan 4, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Well heck.

This sounds amazing. What was I thinking, he’s an awesome coach.

Here are my stats that prove my points, 21-27 and 9-3 to 6-6.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad we agree :)

Throw out year one (and yes, it’s acceptable to give some leeway for a six-week transition after a coach dies) and you have 20-20 in conference. Not too shabby.

by GTom on Jan 4, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Very good points

But I have an idea. Let’s not debate anymore until spring practice. I’m real tired. And my head hurts.

by bangnblame on Jan 4, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we've reached some agreement.

Chad, I will agree that not all records are equal, as you stated eloquently above.

However, I worry that you are mistaking our closeness in margin of victory as hope that we are ‘close’ to winning those games. I will agree that maybe one or two more victories, but what about the reverse, we barely beat a terrible BC team, so that could have gone the other way.

I think we’ve reached some point of agreement, but unfortnately the ultimate judge is the cold hard record that is black/white.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

welp...

Purdue just canned their defensive coordinator and linebackers coach

sbn.to/xdZ3kO

by Loretta8 on Jan 4, 2012 12:46 PM CST reply actions  

Other Big Ten schools getting better, and NU staying the same.

I really want to hear how our defense will get better this offseason. It was terrible two seasons ago and our coaches/players knew it was a problem and it did not get better at all.

How? Chad, MN, GTom, B&B, how will a defense that graduated majority of their starters and kept the same coaching staff get better?

Purdue, a team that was on par/slightly better than NU this past season got rid of two defensive coaches, b/c they weren’t good enough.

All I heard this summer was our defense will be improved b/c last season Persa wasn’t on the field and our defense was tired. Chad, you were DEAD wrong about that, our defense was about the same or a bit worse, and next season will be better? hahahahah

To those that say, don’t equate optimism with satisfaction. Well, I equate optimism with delusional hope.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahahaha this says it all.
Well, I equate optimism with delusional hope.

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

To clarify.

I equate optimism about NU football with delusional hope.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

It's starting to seem like

you’re holding the fans accountable for the actions of the faculty. Never should any one of us have to answer for the coaching staff. That’s ridiculous.

For the record, I equate pessimism with fear of failure.

by pfoley on Jan 4, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point.

I’m mad at Fitz for keeping him and taking it out here. But, when people say, “we’re going to improve” I just want to know how, b/c we just haven’t.

Fear of Failure? ha, I want NU to be good and not bad, don’t we all.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

What you want

has nothing to do with it. I’m not saying you /want/ NU to be bad. I’m saying you refuse to be disappointed. You can only either be right or pleasantly surprised. For me (and perhaps a lot of fans here) that just takes all the fun out of, you know, rooting for the team.

by pfoley on Jan 4, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I'll see what you are saying, but let's rewind

When Fitz first came, I was a HUGE fan. I obviously love and respect Barnett’s tenure here, and thought that Fitz would not only be a great coach, but had a chance to be an elite coach. When Pat went 9-3 (5-3), I really felt that it was the start of something special, but over the past four seasons, I have seen a significant drop off, and when he got the extension till 2020, it seemed that he was interested in talking more than winning.

So, while I agree that I’ve set it up one way, understand that it is not to just be contrarian, but rather analyzing what I’ve seen.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

be that as it may

you can’t begrudge people their optimism. it’s a double standard if you can cite facts in support of your negativity while shooting down other peoples’ facts when they try to back up their positivity.

by pfoley on Jan 4, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

ehh

I’m mad at people’s optimism when it is baseless. If you tell me that NU has 6 4-star players coming in with a reputable defensive coordinator, I’m first in-line on the optimism bandwagon.

There are many things at NU to be optimisitic about, but Pat F’s performance over the past few years is just not one of them. With this new facilities push, it will provide some, but I think people will be disappointed when the results won’t correlate with wins.

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

you should be careful with blanket statements then

“I equate optimism with delusional hope” is a very easy way to get people very mad at you. You seem to do this a lot.

by pfoley on Jan 4, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

So this...
I’m mad at people’s optimism when it is baseless.

When you ask for reasons why Chad, pfoley, mac, GTom, myself, anyone is optimistic about the future, they give them. I don’t think any of the above people (at the risk of sounding arrogant) gives you a “baseless” argument.

You dismiss it as baseless because you don’t agree with it. That does not a baseless statement make.

by MNWildcat on Jan 4, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

FACT

Fitz went 6-6 before that “start of something special” 9-3 (5-3) season.

So why is it impossible for you to think he could get the team there again? Particularly with higher ranked recruits? A QB with experience in Colter (and a backup with experience in Siemian)? A deeper team overall (just look at all the underclassmen who got significant playing time this year on both sides of the ball)?

I don’t know — I’d say there’s every reason (or at least equal reason) to assume we jump to 9-3 next year as us having the same/worse record as 2011….mainly because the last time a Fitz team fell this far, he really got them to improve/play better/win more.

by Chadnudj on Jan 4, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, I got your expectations.

MN is correct, I don’t agree, but I’m going to hold you accountable for some of these things (in msg board speak that is).

by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

HERE ARE A FEW MORE FACTS

Fitz went 6-6 in 2007. We allowed many points in 2007, 31 points per game. Our last game was on November 17, 2007.

On January 18, 2008, Mike Hankwitz was hired as defensive coordinator. Our defense gave up very few points in 2008, 20.2 according to the infallible source Wikipedia. Then we gave up more points and more points each year until this year our defense turned into what some have described as “performance art.”

So here’s the very important fact that makes the situation described in Chad’s comment above much, much different than the current situation. Unlike the 2007-2008 seasons, where we made a change, we are NOT making a change for the 2011-2012 seasons. So, NU fans circa 2007 had a valid reason to hope things would change on defense – the defensive coordinator changed! NU fans circa 2011 have no such valid reason, just a vague hope and confidence we miraculously improve. I personally hope we do.

However, if we play the same way we did this year in the next year, then next year may be special for a different reason and L8 will probably be tweeting out “R.I.P. Northwestern Football” a lot more frequently.

I realize that Hankwitz initially led a great defense, and was a huge source of that special 9-3 season. Hell, it’s probably the reason Fitz is apparently so loyal to the guy. But to me, a guy on the outside looking in, this lack of any coaching changes at all just smacks of futility. I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

by danwhite77 on Jan 4, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

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