Minnesota Golden Gophers, More, Northwestern Wildcats, Less: Postgame Thread
by Rodger Sherman on Jan 22, 2012 5:07 PM CST
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand crap.
Northwestern didn't score for the game's first eight minutes, several key players laid eggs, Drew Crawford had five points on ten shots, peole didn't hit free throws, and lackadaisical defense allowed Minnesota to put up 75 points on 52 shots. Nothing went right, nothing went right, nothing went right. Sure, Northwestern played decent ball for a long time after the initial drought, but, well, this was no fun.
We were all really excited after Northwestern beat Michigan State last week. Then NU hit the road, and two 20 point blowouts. I'm sure the fire such and such talk will be in the comments section, but this wasn't a must-win game - although it certainly was important. However, it does suck to see Northwestern play two awful, awful games.
On the plus side, Northwestern plays well at home (as opposed to the road) and that's where Northwestern's next game is! Yay!
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First time I've turned a game off in a long time...
…with 4 minutes to go in the 1st half. Didn’t need to see the same thing I’ve seen far too many times before.
I’m honestly at a loss for how to fix this team.
This won't change until the head coach changes.
by danwhite77 on Jan 22, 2012 5:38 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
It's time.
It really is. I’m sure Bill is a nice guy, but this is the same story for over a decade. One big win here-and-there (Purdue, Michigan State, sometimes Illinois), but mostly pure domination by the conference upper tier and continued underperformance against the squishy, lower-middle of the conference (Minnesota, Michigan in most years, Penn State). We may be above the trainwrecks of the conference (Iowa, Indiana up until recently, now Nebraska), but this program isn’t going anywhere until it finds a way to claw in front of the likes of Minnesota and Carmody just hasn’t been able to get that done. Time for a new start.
I really do think this is it.
I have a lot more faith that Jim P/Morton S don’t have the irrational love for Carmody that Bienen did and after this season, I’m hoping that they will make a change.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
That's the real question
Now that the veil of Bienen protection is gone – will Carmody follow? I hope so.
I wish this was discussed more.
The reason for Carmody’s bizarrely long stay does not have to do with lack of tradition, lack of facilities, academic restrictions, some negligible progress towards the tournament, etc, etc, but rather President Henry Bienen’s BORDERLINE reckless contract extension after 03-04 season where Carmody went 14-15 (8-8) and somehow won Big Ten COY, Bienen rewards him with an ABSURD contract extension.
That boys and girls is the reason we have had Carmody for twelve seasons.
Think about it, Carmody is the second longest tenured coach in the Big Ten, not Bo Ryan, not Thad Matta, not Painter, not Beilein, but Bill Carmody. Why? B/c Henry Bienen enjoyed having a glass of wine with the guy. Just sickening.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
My understanding is they were BFFs due to their mutual Princeton connection
Let’s hope Phillips mans up and takes an extinguisher to this dumpster fire.
Also, Bienen bumped some of my parent’s friends from their seats at Ryan Field. Let’s just say I don’t like the guy.
I'm done predicting NU wins.
Bottom line, they can “upset” a team here/there, but bottom line, this isn’t a good team and hasn’t been for the entire Carmody era. What analysis is there to say about this team, defense is back to norm, and while there are some positives here/there, every game is a new problem.
NU has a home against a bad Purdue team one week away, yay, ohh wait. This program is just not going anywhere, and after this ‘crucial stretch’ w/one game to go, NU is 2-6 (2-5) with a home wins against PSU and MSU. Bottom line, not a tournament resume, and even if this team makes the tourney, it seems an indictment on the tourney that this team would be in it.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 22, 2012 5:48 PM CST reply actions
I hate to agree
But have to. All along, even after the Michigan and Illinois losses, I thought 9-9 and a tourney berth were readily attainable. After the last two games, I see 7-11 and another year of being on the outside looking in.
It is just so disappointing, especially since this team had the potential for more. The best teams, with the best coaches, have peaks and valleys but get better over the course of the season. We always seem to get worse.
by SeattleCat on Jan 22, 2012 7:38 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
jesus fucking christ
that was a pathetic defensive effort. just lay-up after lay-up after lay-up.
and the hearn-sobolewski backcourt is rapidly approaching worst backcourt in the big ten status. sobolewski cant shoot and hearn looked like a walk-on. i think sobolewski will eventually be pretty good but hes being forced to learn on the job and the results arent pretty. as for hearn, hes so much better than i expected i feel weird criticizing him, but lets be real the brief flashes of brilliance werent gonna continue.
marcotullio played well, thats about it.
I totally felt guilty watching football while taping this
Then I’d flip over on commercials and see the carnage. Not feeling guilty about missing most of this craptacular result.
More thoughts.
SeattleCat, I agree w/everything you said. While 7-11 and heck 8-10 is reachable, I really question if this is a ‘good team’. I don’t want to focus on margin of victory too much, b/c in bball, there are 20 point wins and losses, but back to back 20 point losses is something that is just bizarre.
To L8, great point on NU’s backcourt, but I’d make that argument about NU’s big men (Center/Power Forward) being the worst in the Big Ten, or at least near the bottom.
Bottom line, this team can still get to 7-11 or let’s even say 8-10 (home PU, home Neb, home Iowa, home Minn, @ PSU, @ Iowa), but do ANY of those wins really say that this is a good team? I guess home Minnesota could be another ‘resume’ win, but this is just garbage.
The apathy on SoP, LTP, and Rivals is tangible, are there still ardent Carmody supporters? L8, MN, Macarthur? I don’t even feel you guys are 100% behind this anymore.
To be honest, I don’t blame you. I’ve really not started the Fire Carmody posts/rants, but this is just bad, and this program needs a change more than ever.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 7:35 AM CST reply actions
ive never really been an ardent carmody supporter
i just think he gets too much blame. same way i think fitz often gets too much credit. i enjoy being a contrarion.
youre right about the center position. ive been thinking about this and i’m struggling to find a big ten team that curletti/mirkovic, hearn or sobolewski would start for.
before last night id say sobo would start for minnesota but i dunno. i also think if marco is healthy enough he has to start in favor of hearn, or at least get the lions share of the minutes. i think hearn would be more effective playing 10-15 minutes off the bench as an energy guy. when hes out there for too long his weaknesses get exposed.
Ok
I know, I think all of us at times enjoy being a contrarion. While I would grant you that there are other hurdles to winning at NU, after 12 seasons, it is hard to blame others.
Agree on all other points.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Apathy
It’s always been one of my arguments. Yes, there’s a group that strongly supports Billy C and that’s fine. But my real issue is that fan interest and casual fan interest has just dropped continuously for years – NITs or no NITs.
The other thing I really never understand from an administrative standpoint: Why would you hang on to a coach that only has the support of half of your core fanbase (at best)? And it’s been that way for years.
For a long time the answer was because Carmody came from Princeton
And so did Bienen.
Now, I guess the answer is the administration is a bunch of masochists? Or they just don’t care about basketball.
There is no joy in watching this team...
Even when we win, it still feels like the Cubs being 30 games out in July…
Dikaia Upotheke - Justice Our Foundation
Wow.
That is a PERFECT way to describe this team.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but....
….I’m really curious who the Carmody defenders are and how they defend this team?
I’ll even listen to the usual NU fan excuses, academics, weather, girls, facilities, quarter system, lack of tradition, fan interest, administration support, etc,
I want to know, DOES ANYBODY THINK CARMODY SHOULD COACH 2012-2013?
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 10:06 AM CST reply actions
i don't know.
because there’s still a lot of games left to be played.
by Rodger Sherman on Jan 23, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
like
i didn’t say he deserved an extension after beating michigan state, and therefore am not going to say he deserves an axe now because he’s lost two straight. i know the talk radio mindset of sports fans makes this seem crazy, but am i the only person who finds it reasonable?
by Rodger Sherman on Jan 23, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Fair.
I will wait till the end of the season, but MSU looks like the exception. I’m not just reacting to the past two games, but the whole season + 11 other seasons.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
true!
but after msu and two losses by a combined three points, didn’t earlier blowouts look like an exception? I’m not saying everything is rosy, just acknowledging the tendency of massive swings to happen in a sport dependent on the athletic whims of 20-year olds.
by Rodger Sherman on Jan 23, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
But.
This is what has happened recently. Look, with those two close losses and the win against MSU, of course I felt the team was trending positive, most importantly improved defense.
But, these past two games showed me something different.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
yeah
and neither one of them is worth drawing any sort of permanent conclusion from, at least in my opinion.
by Rodger Sherman on Jan 23, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
just this.
nu alum, just consider this opinion my answer.
look, i know you want carmody gone, and have for some time. i’m not going to get all up in arms and argue something where you’re staunchly entrenched in your opinion, and i don’t see the point of grabbing torches and pitchforks now.
we lost two games by 43 points; you win. your statistics crucify me. not only that, but it’s happened before. over and over. congrats. but i’m not giving up on this season, because we’ve seen the potential this team can play to.
i don’t care if it’s irrational, but i feel like i have to be a little irrational to go to these games and cheer for this team and actually support the coach who’s coaching them. are we out yet? no. we’ve been a hell of a lot farther out, so shit, i don’t feel like giving up just yet.
don’t consider this some massive pro-carmody post. i want to wait til the end of the season. but don’t think i’m at the head of the mob, either. i just want to support nu basketball til the cold, bitter end, wait for the results of these 19-22 year olds busting their asses, and see what happens.
go cats.
That's totally different.
MNW, I have NO ISSUE w/you being a fan or supporting Carmody/this team. I think all of us want NU bball to be better. If you are saying this to cheer yourself up and be a fan to finish the season, I have no issue with you.
From an analytical perspective, I’m saying (and being proven) that it is not working, so you can be a fan and still say something isn’t working. Many of us are doing it.
Also, I REALLY question the effort in that Minn game, haven’t done that in a while, but that was a horrendous effort, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
To be fair....
…we’re dealing with a lot of injuries these past two games, and both were on the road.
I know those are excuses, but they are facts.
I’m with Rodger — don’t get too high after a win, or too low after a loss. Let’s evaluate end of the year on the job Carmody did.
I'll grant 1/2 that excuse.
Chad, I’ll agree w/that on the Wisc game with both Cobb and Marco out. The team looked flat in the 2nd half against a hot shooting Wisc, but I WILL NOT grant that same excuse against a much worse Minnesota team, regardless of home and away. Like Curdog says, everyone has a bad game, but to follow up the Wisconsin game with this effort was pathetic.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Rodger, he's been at NU for a decade with the same results
It’s an exercise in futility.
Ask again at the end of the season
after we have won the national championship and signed three five-star recruits. Then, I defy you to tell me that he shouldn’t come back next season.
Come on man...
…What is your honest opinion? You are a strong fan and not a huge Carmody supporter or huge Carmody hater, but seven games into Big Ten competition, what are your thoughts?
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Look, recent results are difficult to defend
but the season’s not over and far from lost yet. I agree it does not look encouraging, and I would be surprised to see NU end up in the tournament. But I’m not going to sit here on January 23 and make a snap judgment on whether he ought to be back next year. If he’s going to be fired, he’ll be fired in April or May, probably.
But, it is not a snap judgment.
This is a coach that is the SECOND LONGEST TENURED COACH in the Big Ten behind Izzo, so his sample size is VERY LARGE.
But, this Big Ten season is not very young anymore, and the stretch to build a tourney resume is pretty much over.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
One thing I think all of us can agree on
NU’s GOTTA make a decision one way or another with this guy at the end of the season. His last extension was a chicken-sh*t commitment.
You know EXACTLY what you have. Either make the commitment and give him another five years or cut the cord and move in another direction.
This should not go into a lame duck season. One more year is not going to make a difference in his approach.
Totally agree with nu alum
This is not a good team, regardless of what the record might say at the end of the year. Good teams don’t consistently look this bad. Every team can lay an egg (see UNC-Fla St) but Carmody coached teams do it far too often to be labeled good. This team has 2 good players, that’s it. When they are both playing well, NU can be competitive and when they aren’t, NU gets blown out.
I’m just tired of watching the same horror show year after year.
by Curdog7 on Jan 23, 2012 10:21 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
ESPN's Conference power rankings: Big Ten By Myron Medcalf
10. Northwestern: End the bubble conversations/hopes/manufactured buzz. This is not an NCAA tournament team. The Wildcats enter the week with a 2-5 record in the Big Ten. They’ve lost their last two games (road losses against Wisconsin and Minnesota) by 43 points combined.
Yup, thank you.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 10:28 AM CST reply actions
I'm just angry...
…so to all people that say the Big Ten is sooo tough (note, not arguing that Big Ten is the best conference this year, eventhough Big XII is pretty strong), that the rankings just came out.
3. OSU
11. MSU
17. Indiana
22. Mich
25. Wisc
It is impressive to have five teams in the Top 25, but outside of OSU, none of those teams are that incredible. NU still has some opportunities against Mich and Indiana to get another ranked win, if not, MSU was a standard college bball win.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 12:47 PM CST reply actions
and my last thought on this.
i understand why people are rightfully pissed and up in arms. those last two games sucked; there’s no contradicting that, and regardless of injuries, i’m disappointed in the team that showed up and played. it doesn’t shine well on the players, coaches, whatever. i just am left scratching my head about this team in general.
say what you want, but we’re not out of the damn thing. as painful as that is to think about, we still could make it or surprise people or whatever you want. we’ve seen talent and performance anywhere from the minnesota game to the msu game, and in the span of one week. i understand the lows of the carmody era have been much lower than the highs, but the msu game is proof for me that this season, such highs can still occur; for this reason, i’m a fan of this team and i stand by this coach til season’s end.
so congrats and a big gold star to you for ‘proving’ that it’s not working. i’m waiting til the end of the season, as screaming for a coach to go just doesn’t have much point for me mid-season, and i still hope out my naive, young hope that this is possible.
When does hope become delusional?
NO ONE is judging Carmody on just two games MNW. We have enough of a sample size, and while the MSU game was FANTASTIC, it is just one of those random upsets that mean nothing.
For example, Notre Dame beat Syracuse. That is a fantastic win for ND, but it doesn’t change that this season has been bad for them. That is what the MSU win is doing for us.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ahh, you had to call me out.
I love it — Defend Carmody, but facilities, requirements, history, etc…those are all “excuses.”
02, that is the difference between you and me. I don’t believe in the “Great Man” theory of leadership. I can’t help but look at the context and the system. I don’t believe that the Coach has to be an awesome “Recruiter” and then it’s just sweet 16s and invites to the Maui invitational from then on out.
If it was as easy as hiring one guy, then we would’ve tried that already. You don’t think Jim Phillips takes this job and makes an assessment?
You have had steady improvement of the team over the last several years. If you take kenpom’s word for it, we’ve been the 60th-80th ranked team. That’s the top quarter of all teams playing D1 ball.
“Mac, then you think like a loser.”
To you, I think like a loser. But if you look at the context, that’s pretty damn good given the “context” of NU hoops.
I think it’s a valid question — “He got us to Point B, now can he get us to Point C.” I’d like for him to be the guy, but if Phillips (from his chair) has a better option — go for it.
What I like about Carmody: He’s got an offensive philosophy that has given us a chance to compete, he’s run a clean program, and he’s a no BS guy.
What I wish were better: Had a defensive philosophy that was just as innovative, that he was able to bring in better talent – namely at the 5.
To the last point, I don’t know how much of that talent is his inability to “sell”, or the realities of the state of NU athletics (facilities, admission levels, etc).
I’m with Herman — I don’t get why people are just throwing the season away already. This league is deep — Nebraska, Iowa and Penn State have all notched wins over tourney bound teams. We could win every night (and we could lose every night). Let the season play out and then let’s talk later. But Herman’s got it right – let’s see the whole body of work.
If you see guys quitting on Carmody, then that’s something else. But if anything, his guys have shown to be very loyal to him. (Cue scene of Craig Moore nearly starting a fight with the student section)
In the meantime, just keep posting your wonderful theories of wine-sipping with ex-presidents. Or strawman arguments where you’ll only accept certain premises, while blatantly ignoring others as excuses.
www.massivecreativity.com
by macarthur31 on Jan 23, 2012 3:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Here we go.
Mac, you are my Chad of basketball. First off, I really do respect your opinion, and while I disagree, I am glad to have people like you on this board.
With that being said, let us begin. I do NOT care about being a top 60-80 team, I care about Big Ten standings, being in the top 60-80 has only gotten us three irrelvant NIT berths that have produced no better recruits, no better next season results, and have done nothing for our defense.
I don’t think Jim P has a positive opinion of Carmody, b/c if he did, he would grant Carmody the same 2020 extension he did for Fitzgerald. He extended him for three seasons, b/c he just came on-board and to fire a coach that had back to back NIT’s after NU’s history was difficult for him. I GUARANTEE you that if NU goes 7-11 or worse and does not make the NIT, Jim P will not extend him. Even Jim P realizes that making the tournament means finishing 7th to 8th in the Big Ten, not that difficult.
I have NO PERSONAL issue with Carmody. I am judging him by his Big Ten record, Big Ten tournament record, recruiting rankings, NBA development (lack of), and overall record. All of which are below anybody’s standards. I don’t care about NU’s past, b/c by that logic, anything would be an improvement. NU’s women’s lax program used to be a club team when we were in school, so anything is an improvement right? No, hold yourself to a higher standard.
I’ll agree w/you and Herman about saying this season is over too quickly, that was not my intent. But, THESE past eight games were the crucial stretch to make the tournament, but going 2-6 (2-5) is not getting it done.
I do not care about Craig Moore’s reaction to fans wanting Carmody gone after 2-14, 1-17. His players defend him if he is 0-18, and that is true for many coach/player relationships. Without Carmody, Moore would have never gone to NU, so clearly he is thankful for that.
Hey Mac, I don’t insult you, so don’t get personal with me. EVERYONE knows that a seven year extension for a guy that was 14-15 (8-8) is absurd, and that is the reason why he was here even after 2-14, 1-17.
Bottom line, will NU make the tournament this year? Based on what we have seen and many analysts have said. HELL NO. Remember when you told me? “NU Alumni, you’ll be wrong when they make the tournament.”
Guess who’s looking good on that call right now.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Also.
Mac, I’m not the only one wanting Carmody gone. Read the various msg boards, while you get a trophy for sticking by Carmody’s side as #1 fan, Welsh-Ryan continues to be invaded by other school’s fans, because NU is sick of Carmody.
60-131. That sounds like a guy that is doing awesome.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Dude --
Even if we were 5-2, would you be booking your tickets to Omaha, or wherever the first round of the Midwest pod would be taking place? I know I wouldn’t — because it’s a long season, and this conference is tough.
So, I don’t know what your deal is — you rant and rave about firing Carmody now when the season isn’t even over yet. Your mind has always been made up about him, so what’s the point? We get it. I don’t have a personal issue with you — I’m just judging you by your odd choices in arguments, and how you continue to harp on them all of the time.
Sec. 112, who has been consistent on this convo as it’s been talked to death on Rivals, has a key point staked out — Carmody is up after next year. You make a move this year because if you lame duck him, then the good Dr. Jim has made a move worse than extending him or firing him. What’s keeping Dr. Jim from doing the deed?
By the way, I support our Coach because I genuinely like the guy and want the team to succeed. As soon as Dr. Jim finds someone else, I’ll support that move because I trust our AD. I don’t see the point in screeching “Fire Carmody, Fire Carmody.” I appreciate your munificience on declining to make an opinion on the team until this 9 game stretch is up. (Oddly enough, there’s 30 games in the season, so I’m waiting until then.)
In the meantime, congratulations on your part for being in agreement with folks on message boards. Well done, sir. salute.
www.massivecreativity.com
A couple of my issues with the whole topic
My apologies for continuing this, but I hope you agree these go beyond the usual fire ’em/keep ’em discussion. You brought up two things, Mac.
1) Waiting until the end of the season to make the decision – This drives me bonkers!! Don’t we have enough of a resume in front of us? It’s what bugged me about the last extension. You either believe in the guy or you don’t. Make the hard decision and keep him or make the hard decision and dump him. But i don’t know why the end of the season would change anyone’s mind – even if they won out. It’s 11 1/2 seasons of mediocrity vs. one spectacular half season.
If keeping him is in Phillips’ gut, do it already instead of this painful, hoping, praying, begging for the season that will prove him correct.
2) The point of screeching “Fire Carmody” – Has this program made one decision in the last 30 years that indicates they have any strong interest in competing on a large level? Take a look at the people in the purple seats. They barely care, and that’s probably your core financial fan base. fans disappear and they can’t fill an 8000 seat stadium. but does it bother anyone?
So yes, some screaming is required because I haven’t seen one piece of evidence that anybody wants to listen or knows how to develop a winning environment.
112...
Here’s the deal. My thought is why people love Carmody so much despite his pathetic record is the following:
- People are change resistant and fearful of the unknown. i.e. How do you KNOW the next coach will be better? NU basketball has NEVER been good! To this I say uggg, well hell let’s keep Carmody forever and extend him till 2030 just b/c he’s kind enough to take over $1 mil/year and coach at NU.
- People see themselves in him. Many of his fans might also be socially awkward, negative/apathetic looking people that see themselves in him.
- People are afraid of getting a ‘Fitz’ personality. Isn’t it interesting how some people support Fitz but not Carmody and vice versa? I think some of Carmody’s supporters look at Fitz as a chatty, overpromising blowhard.
Who else knows? I don’t know why it bothers me so much that there are STILL Carmody supporters out there, it makes me feel they don’t care about winning. I wonder if these supporters were in favor of bringing him back after 2-14 & 1-17. If so, there really is nothing to discuss, b/c nothing would get Carmody fired in their eyes.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
LOL ... Okay, I'll admit it
Never in a millions years did I think somebody else had the same theory.
Point #2 … To friends, I call it “the egghead factor.” I don’t know if I agree with the adjectives but SSDD.
Come on
I can make an opinion on what I’ve seen about Carmody at any point, but my opinions were based on a crucial stretch. I really don’t give a damn if NU beats teams like Iowa, Nebraska, and PSU; I care about NU beating good teams. Guess what, that’s what the committee cares about as well, wins against Top 50/Top 100 competition.
I know you like Carmody on a personal level, and I used to be fan of him on a professional level. However, twelve seasons in, I refuse to support the bad to mediocre team he has recruited and coached.
Congrats to you sir on being the lone (or one of a few) Carmody supporters just to support him. He hasn’t produced a winner or even a relatively close bubble team in his entire time here, and what evidence do you see that getting better, Sanjay Lumpkin? Cerina, a transfer that didn’t play much at TCU? Sure, Kale A is an AWESOME recruit, but while our competitors get multiple contributors per recruiting class, NU gets one or maybe two. Look at this year, only Sobo is contributing.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 23, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
Ding ! NU2002
NU hoops has become the laughingstock of D1 b-ball. Who would want the job? Who would want to play for this “wobegone” coach? I am still shocked that we 3,000 attending home games. Back-up the truck and start over, with a new on-campus facility…
Dikaia Upotheke - Justice Our Foundation
Eeeeeeeeverytime I try to get out ...
This conversation pulls me back in.
That’s been a HUGE part of my problem with the progression of this thing. By driving it to painful eventuality and giving Carmody EVERY LAST POSSIBLE SINGLE opportunity, I think NU has managed the impossible – they have actually devalued the position even more.
Oh I know there’s a group out there (especially one of my favorites) who wants to forever bemoan the failure of KO. But the one thing that was left standing out there even after KO was the idea that NU never gave anybody enough time. It was always a problem with the administration.
Well, now you have a coach who was given EVERY opportunity and they still couldn’t win. Don’t think for second that the coaching fraternity doesn’t notice that.
I've said this to Herman and others.
By keeping a coach that went 2-14 and 1-17, it says that you don’t care about winning. Name another BCS program that would have kept him, regardless of contract status. I know what is coming, “well heck, NU Alum 02, what other BCS school has sucked as much as NU has?” Well, try and get better, get a better coach.
I COMPLETELY agree that by allowing Carmody to stay on, it has not only devalued the position, but clearly shown NU’s priorities in terms of men’s bball. I hope the new President and Jim P can change that perception.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 24, 2012 8:11 AM CST up reply actions
That about sums it up.
Hopefully Morty cares more about sports than his predecessor.
To Lord Willie.
A great deal of the fans are either opposing fans or alumi/Evanston residents over the age of 60. Nothing like watching a broadcast after an awesome play by Shurna or Crawford and the student section is going crazy, then the camera pans to the purple seats, and it is DEAD silent, some awkward high fives and fist bumps aside.
Those purple seats have been held by some old timers and they really don’t care if this team wins or loses.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 24, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
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