Illinois 57, Northwestern 56: Postgame Thread
Northwestern lost a tough one to Illinois, and they didn't lose in the usual fashion. They rebounded and defended well, but essentially did nothing for a 20 minute stretch on offense, and thus lost a heartbreaker. The game appeared lost with 2 minutes left when Illinois had an eight point lead, but NU rallied to tie it, only to lose when Illini freshman Myke Henry hit one of two free throws with six seconds left. Brandon Paul appeared to run over Drew Crawford a few seconds before that, but no foul was called. Crawford's attempted game-winner was then rejected by Meyers Leonard.
This was a game Northwestern likely needed to have; three of the next four games are on the road and the fourth is against white-hot Michigan State. It's especially frustrating because NU played well for the most part: they just couldn't make shots, and you can't beat good Big Ten opponents when you miss so many open looks.
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On a positive note
I managed to watch a game with NU Alum c/o 2002 and not stab myself in the eye or him in the eye. I want to stab that ref who put away his whistle on that obvious charge, though, and then had the gumption to call a loose ball foul.
by Herman on Jan 4, 2012 8:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
but you managed to stab him in the leg at least right?
obviously kidding, just need to try and make myself laugh
by JerseyShore@NU on Jan 4, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Meanwhile, looks like we will be behind Iowa
Ugh.
by SeattleCat on Jan 4, 2012 9:31 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Following up on a Loretta positive
That defense and the energy was excellent tonight, so … okay, we’ll just leave it at that.
Positives/Negatives
First off, it was fun watching the game with Herman. It is amazing how fun it is to debate with someone in-person about NU sports, whether we agree or disagree. Plus, I have TONS of respect about how many interviews he has done for SoP, just awesome. Herman, I look forward to our next game.
Positives
1. Defense, defense, defense. Not only was the effort by every player significantly better, the strategy, rotations, schemes were all better. While ILL made some boneheaded plays, NU forced them into many of them. It was such a nice change.
2. Cobb’s defense. Just great athleticism, quickness, instincts, and some great plays.
3. Mirkovic/Curletti. They were solid, we all have such low expectations of them, and for the most part, they played well. Definitely a nice effort from them.
4. Sobo. He is a solid, composed, clutch, and good floor leader. He is not Juice Thompson, yet, but a very nice player. When he shot those FTs late in the 2nd half, he looked so composed and confident.
Negatives
1. FT’s – 11/18 is unacceptable, especially considering some of them were on the front end of 1 and 1s.
2. Marco/Cobb’s offense. Some of the most boneheaded shot selection, it was silly and unwarranted. You could see the frustration on Carmody’s face, and I don’t blame him at all for that.
3. Shurna/Crawford. I don’t know what the deal is with Shurna. He is just not a great player, forget the NBA and All-American status, he will be lucky to be 2nd team All Big Ten. Just when everyone is ready to put Drew into the #2 or heck #1 role on the team, he pulls a very weak offensive effort. At least his defensive effort was there.
4. Tough loss. Home, in-state rival, weak ILL team, 10 point lead at one point, and horrendous 2nd half offensive effort.
I don’t want to overreact to one loss and want to be consistent in waiting for the full Creighton – Purdue slate before making a definitive statement about this team, but what was considered to be our toughest stretch now includes only four ranked opponents (Cre, OSU, UM, MSU) instead of what could have been seven ranked opponents (ILL, Wisc, PU). But four games into this nine-game stretch, NU is 1-3 and not looking stellar.
Let’s hope a full week off gives NU time to rest, game plan, and get a SOLID road victory.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Shurna and the NBA
I would agree with your comment, NA02. But sure enough there was a scout behind me charting every single play where Shurna got off a shot. I’m pretty sure he was from the Bucks.
He wasn’t in his seat in the second half. I wonder if he moved to press area or Shurna was lucky enough that the scout left the building.
Wow.
That is very interesting. I would have loved to ask him many questions about Shurna.
- Is his shot release quick enough for the NBA?
- What role do you envision him playing for a team? 7th/8th man?
- Is his lack of defensive hustle/acumen a detriment or not something you need/expect from him?
- What part of his game is the most NBA ready?
- Do you see him being drafted in the two rounds?
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 5, 2012 7:48 AM CST up reply actions
On Shurna
Granted, he had a pretty poor second half, but come on. 20 points on 8-17 shooting, 3-6 behind the arc, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, a steal, and 4 blocks. That’s not a bad game.
by Purple_Storm on Jan 5, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
I definitely agree. Well-said.
I don’t know about the Shurna negative, but overall, this is pretty much what I was thinking.
Regarding Mirkoletti, their line last night (combined):
38 minutes
8 points
7 rebounds (4 offensive)
4 assists
3 steals (all Luka, btw)
5 fouls
I can’t complain a ton with that, especially given their matchup with Meyers Leonard. The one thing we got away from (at least what I noticed) during the 2nd half was working the ball inside, even just for a kick-out. My friend and I had an extended argument as the 2nd half rolled on about our forced shots and poor shooting. Personally, I love when we give the ball to Luka (especially) or Davide in the post, let them take the one post-move dribble into the lane, and kick the ball out. It seems to me like some of our most effective drives (and obviously best open-look threes) come from forcing the defense to collapse a bit then react.
Another positive - something we already discussed
It was nice to see a bit more from Cobb tonight. i think we saw what some of us were talking about over the last couple days.
Unfortunately, there were also a few of those ugly mistakes, but he wasn’t the only one. (That’s one of my issues tonight – the contagious rash of fundamental mistakes with this bunch).
Anyhow, I think the good side of Cobb’s game was a bit brighter than the uglu side for the first time this year.
I think the Hearn/Cobb platoon should continue
with Cobb’s minutes increasing as his decision making gets better. I don’t think he needs to start to make an impact on the game.
How often does an NU player get 4+ steals anyway?
I feel Hearn has cooled off some.
I was looking for him to make some big impact/big shots this past game, but he just seemed to be a body out there. Heck, that could be said for many of the players last night, but I love that he’s a walk-on that is a solid player and only getting better.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 5, 2012 7:50 AM CST up reply actions
Absolutely Heartbreaking Loss
But I agree with NUCA02 that we need to wait until this stretch is over before panicking. Silver lining: this being the B1G, every game is a chance to atone for this loss.
The Charleston Cats
Sec, your shipment of crawfish must’ve gotten there in time. That was the best defensive effort we’ve seen all year.
The loss sucks because we need to defend our floor. And like 02 said, clanked the front end of one and ones.
While our offense sucked, I don’t expect it to suck all year. I just want that kind of defensive effort every night. Protect your glass, keep diving on the floor, make them work for each basket. My hope is that we keep building off of this effort — however, those looking at past performance wouldn’t be wrong to say that this was an aberration more than the new normal.
What we’ve learned? Cobb can be a good 1:1 defender, and is useful in the “1-man press” at times. Perimeter pressure does cause us to wilt — we need to keep pounding it inside, if anything to force them to cover Mirkoletti and create space on the perimeter. And apparently, they don’t call charges in the final 2 minutes of a game. (Awright, that was a cheap shot.)
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Agree on that is the main question?
Was that defense an aberration? I agree w/you 100%, our offense will be better, we’ve seen it enough to have faith there, but defense was fantastic.
Personally, I’m more optimistic on this one (shocking, I know), b/c I think that the confidence from their defensive effort will translate and continue. Plus, Michigan is a solid team, but not a team that I feel will run up/down on us. I told Herman this last night, I’m much more scared of OSU/PU/Ind than I am about UM/MSU/Wisc, i.e. I like NU’s ability with slower teams rather than the up/down fast break style where NU gets caught in transition and looks like a high school team.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 5, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
No call on charge
Anyone want to speculate whether a Duke player would get that charge call at the end of the game?
Yes.
Herman said if that is at ILL or OSU, you except that call, but why didn’t NU get the call.
Well, simply b/c NU hasn’t earned it yet (even at home), and I know that is not the correct way it should go. Refs are humans and make mistakes (no surprise there), but also, NU isn’t going to get close calls (or even a pretty obvious call) until they prove it.
Now, Herman’s point is excellent, don’t call the charge on ILL, but don’t call NU on the over the back foul either. On that point, I 100% agree.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 5, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
a call had to be made
a defender was taken out of the play due to contact, which gave the offensive player an advantage. It was either a block or a charge. A no call was just the guy swallowing the whistle. If he swallowed it on that play he should have swallowed it on the next play.
I agree that NU doesn’t get that call while most good teams would get it (especially at home) but I think it’s BS that a team needs to earn it. I know that’s how it is but it’s still BS.
Agreed.
The inconsistency of the ending calls was very frustrating.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Jan 5, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions

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