Indiana Hoosiers 71, Northwestern Wildcats 66, Post-Game Thread
by Rodger Sherman on Feb 15, 2012 7:31 PM CST
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PrintWelp. Northwestern played a pretty strong game and kept it close - leading, at times! - against Indiana on the road. But despite the gargantuan efforts of John Shurna, who put up a casual 29 while being the only offensive outlet for a struggling Northwestern unit, the Cats came up a couple of possessions short against the Hoosiers.
Bill Carmody mystified any coherent viewer by refusing to sit Davide Curletti, whose offensive impotence was at an all-time high while rarely boxing out and giving up offensive board after offensive board, and playing massive amounts of man-to-man when the 1-3-1 was the only chance for NU defensively. Northwestern allowed dozens of easy layups and dunks, and by the end of the game, was absolutely beat after running 40 minutes with essentially six guys.
It wasn't a game NU was expected to win, so I'm not disappointed. The loss doesn't hurt Northwestern's tourney chances - but they won't be able to come up short in the next few.
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Still a positive effort.
Indiana is a high octane offense, and NU ‘held’ them to 71. I am so, so, so impressed with John Shurna, his play, body language, leadership, and moxie is beyond fantastic.
I did not expect him to be this good, he is a clear 1st team All Big Ten team with these last four to five performances. I am bummed that NU lost an opportunity to beat a top 25 team on the road, similar to the Michigan game, but I have some more optimism headed into Minn and Mich.
Am I sounding to much like Chad? Eeeek.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 15, 2012 7:38 PM CST reply actions
Appreciate the Shurna acknowledgement
…as you were killing him earlier this year.
The defense was good enough to win tonight. It wasn’t a lock down defense by any stretch — but we defended our glass better. I counted at least 3 times we tipped balls, but we couldn’t get them to go our way — even one of them led to a layup.
Argh, we got bad drew tonight. Drew missed 3 layups tonight – although with Cody Zeller, nothing is easy underneath. But he was turning the ball over. Marco gave us something, Hearn gave us something. Shoot, Cobb even gave us some life out there.
Sobo had a tough game tonight. There was no way that all three fouls were charges. Maybe a non call on a couple of them, but that absolutely takes him out of rhythm of the game. Its sour grapes to say the refs cost us this game, but I really didn’t understand the game they were calling tonight. (Outside of, sure Victor Oladipo, feel free to give Shurna a colonoscopy in the paint).
Argh, I’m so disappointed because this was a totally winnable game. I have a hard time totally killing Carmody here — I mean its easy to pick on Curletti, but Indy is mega huge inside, and we needed to use our bench.
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I'm biased because I heard only the last 5 min
but our D was not good enough to win then. They must’ve had an offensive rating over 200. I think they got 2pts on each trip (and a 3 pt dagger) except when they missed the front end of a 1-and-1.
Up to that point our D must’ve kept us in the game.
Looking at the play-by-play
14pts for indiana in their last 7 possessions taking the last 6 min of play.
Def a case of fatigue for our guys I would say.
Also Drew shot 50% from the field in spite of missing those layups, he was 40% from downtown, EFG was 58.3%, and he was 4-4 from the stripe so while he wasn’t SUPER DREW, which we could’ve used since Drew drew a mismatch from Indiana, he was pretty good (no pun intended). Carmody said he was much better going to his right than to his left and that they need to take that into account when they space him out.
That said, this turned out better than I expected
Agree.
Shurna has improved immensely, and I am truly amazed. I did not see it coming to this degree.
I don’t want to overdiscuss Carmody in this game.
It’s so absurd the hatorade for Curletti. L8 was going crazy on him on twitter, and while he is an embarrassment at times, is Mirk that much better? They are both bad. Let’s not pick on one more than the other.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 15, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
I feel
like people would be going insane on Mirk too. Just because he can’t play doesn’t mean it lightens Curletti’s burden to be competent.
i don't blame them for being bad...
i blame carmody for playing them. almost everything about northwestern’s lineup is improved when we play small.
by Rodger Sherman on Feb 16, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Well, for this game,
I think foul trouble on Sobo and Hearns might have forced Carmody’s hand in playing Curletti.
sure.
I want to say something about Cobb or Fruendt being a better option, but there’s really no justification behind that.
by Rodger Sherman on Feb 16, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Curletti vs. Cobb vs. Fruendt is a toss up
Curletti would probably be my first choice among the three, too. He has had moments of success and can provide a physical presence in the lane. Cobb obviously has the higher ceiling but has been hurt and not practicing, and the few times he’s played this year, he’s looked pretty out of sync. Fruendt…I’m not exactly sure what he brings to the table. He’s supposed to be a good outside shooter but doesn’t get open for looks.
On a negative note.
I GUARANTEE that JerShon Cobb will transfer if Carmody is here next year. I don’t care what combination of injuries, offense, defense, academics, or whatever excuse it is, he just doesn’t fit. It’s a damn shame, because I think he is potentially a great player.
I made a strong effort to watch his body language, it is flat-out terrible.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 15, 2012 7:46 PM CST reply actions
Carmody Said Cobb would definitely play at home
What’s to say if Carmody leaves that Cobb would stay? Just playing devil’s advocate either way.
Fair point.
I think a new coach would bring a new system or something, but right now, everytime I see Cobb, he looks so unsure of himself.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 15, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
If Cobb chooses to stick around this off-season
And IF he remains healthy, he’ll have a breakout year playing on the wing opposite Drew. I think an offseason working with the team, learning how to play with them will do wonders for him.
That’s assuming he’s not in Carmody’s doghouse for some unknown reason or if he’s homesick because he’s so far away from his family.
Unless you're Jershon Cobb's best friend...
I’m going to place common on par with your earlier assessment this year about John Shurna.
Were you in Bloomington, IN tonight to watch the game? So you watched his body language all of 5 minutes when he was on camera tonight? And you were able to discern that his body language is terrible?
Right. Right.
Again — you see what you want to see. That’s fine if that’s your opinion. But, outside of some ouija board to divine that insight, it’s absolute bunk.
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Really?
So bunk that Teddy G wrote about it in the Chicago Tribune last year. So bunk that MANY fans on Rivals, LTP, and a few friends of mine have thought the same thing.
It is just not from tonight, just watch him during the season. What would you do if you were JC, you are a top 100 recruit, you come to NU as one of the top recruits of the Carmody era, and whether it is injury or doghouse (which Carmody has said he is in openly from time to time), he hardly plays.
So, this offseason he’ll ‘learn the offense and get out of the doghouse’, doubtful. He’s gone.
Also, you see what you want to see, we all do. You are a blind Carmody fan, and I’m a blind Carmody hater, so we’re going to see our points from those perspectives.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 15, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
So a couple things.
MANY fans on Rivals, LTP, and a few friends of mine
Ooh, good, the people whose opinions really matter.
just watch him during the seasonWe haven’t been able to. He’s been hurt and unable to play, as far as we know. Unless you’re in the ‘Cats locker room (or have fan-friends from Rivals or LTP or close friends who have been there), we don’t know what’s up with his health.
I’ll agree that I was confused why he disappeared tonight after playing in the 1st half. But I’m not going to assume he’s gone because he’s hurt and hasn’t played.
"Blind" Carmody Fan?
Dude – I like Carmody. However, if Phillips wanted to go another direction, I’d support the team because I’d trust he has a plan. He runs great offenses, but the defense and rebounding haven’t been at the same level. Hasn’t even been mediocre. I’ve said this many times. I like the upward trajectory of the program, but if Phillips has a better answer, I’m open for it. However, in the meantime, I’m not going to trash our head coach and pine for replacements during the season, or question the obvious talent of our players ("Shurna shouldn’t even be considered an All-America, or even 2nd All-Big Ten), or offer conjecture about which players might transfer.
So, if that makes me a blind Carmody fan, then call me Ray Charles.
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by macarthur31 on Feb 16, 2012 8:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok.
Great, glad to hear your criticism of Carmody. I agree with all your points.
I don’t recall ever saying that Shurna would NOT be considered 2nd team All Big-Ten, but the way he was playing at the beginning of this season was not nearly the caliber of what he has done recently.
So, you don’t want to offer conjecture about J Cobb, fine, I will. This is a message board to get ideas and thoughts out, and watching him, he just doesn’t fit. It’s sad, I want him to succeed and I credit Carmody/Hardy for getting our best recruit ever (in terms of high school standing prior to NU).
I take back my ‘blind Carmody’ statement, didn’t realize you had some negative things to say about him.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 16, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
Saying someone you don’t know at all, and who is one of our student-athletes representing our school with pride, will transfer (without any proof or evidence whatsoever) is borderline libelous, and frankly beneath you or the standards of this board.
by Chadnudj on Feb 16, 2012 1:17 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Really?
I hope you say the same about Teddy Greenstein’s article last year. I have said it is pure conjecture, but something I feel very strongly about based on what I’ve seen. I WANT JerShon Cobb on this team and contributing, I am the biggest fan of getting Top 100 players to our team. But, his career at NU has been a huge disappointment between being in the doghouse (according to Carmody) and injuries.
Plus, what I’ve seen from him in confusion when on the court and clearly not as invested as other players on the bench when I’ve seen him.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 16, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Re post: I'm glad i had to listen on the radio
All i have heard from dave eanet is how bad the officiating was throughout the game, especially in the 1st half. I would have lost my mind watching that, not that i havent already. Not too mad though they played hard and Shurna was stepping up huge like he has been these past few games. But damn it would have been nice to get this one it sounded like their was alot of controversial calls. What could have been if Shurna got more than 20 seconds of rest in the 2nd
officiating was...
headscratching at times, and in almost every case, we didn’t get the call. But credit Indiana with stepping up their defense at the end. it might have been fatigue on our part, but we didn’t get any good looks our last few possessions.
by Herman on Feb 15, 2012 9:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
absolutely agree with the fatigue
and you still have to be 10pts better than your opposition on the road… because you’re likely playing 5 on 8.
We are all Tar Heels (tonight)
and Pirates, and Tigers and Golden Hurricane for the rest of the season.
I’m hoping that the bubble keeps softening to increase our chances of getting in at 8-10.
LSU/Seton Hall
both have favorable schedules remaining to finish about .500 in their respective leagues
Lunardi's Prediction that Tulsa would make the Tourney
(during the Charleston Classic) isn’t looking so hot though…
I know Carmody makes some mistakes
but except for a big time name, like Pearl or Calipari, what other coach would do better with this team? His recruiting is the only thing I would consider firing him over but he does the best with what hes got. I think getting good recruits in college basketball, more than football, is about being able to compromise your academic and off the court standards because the best recruits dont care about getting a degree since they only have to stay one year to go pro. This is something NU won’t and shouldn’t change. I just don’t see any other no name coach doing much better than Carmody
by GoCats815 on Feb 15, 2012 8:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree this loss (and the last one) was not on BC
At least not for his game management. I can’t defend the recruiting, but he’s done a good job with what he has had this season.
That said, I still don’t know if I’m ready for a change at the end of the year if we don’t make the Tourney.
Counter-example to your premise of compromising academics for basketball prowess?
Jeremy Lin (though really, anyone who says they saw it coming probably predicted Hearn would be our 3rd leading scorer, after the fact, as well)
We need more L8 live blogs
Those are why we won those games last week! I don’t think we’ve lost one of those games yet!
maybe saturday
drinking during them is required, so i cant have work the next day
One coaching quibble.
Very tiny one, hence quibble and not “complaint.” After we failed to score, down 4 with a minute and change left, why didn’t we foul right away? Time is the essential element there. A stop with 35 seconds off the clock doesn’t help us that much when we have to score twice. And, being who we are, a rebound off said stop is far from guaranteed.
That they scored a three instead after running off 30+ seconds was money in the bank for them – automatic game over.
Hard to tell
sometimes coaches are trying to get their guys to foul but whomever is on the floor doesn’t get the signal until it’s too late. But I agree – that’s a situation in which you extend the game.
Not that our FT shooting is that good… but yeah.
Also file under quibble...
If I recall correctly, we were up 5 at one point during the second half — and then we had a possession where Shurna took a fadeaway 17 footer. While Shurna has been beast mode, it wasn’t a terrific option. I wished Carmody would’ve taken a timeout there, if anything to give the guys a blow and to reset. Pushing the game to 3 possessions there would’ve been huge.
I know it’s hindsight and ticky-tacky, but I would’ve liked to see us use more timeouts to give our guys some rest during the second half. We did use those TOs at the end, but they seemed to be more about desperation (i.e. trying to prevent a 5 seconds).
And Roto — I felt the same way about the non-foul gambit. At that point and 2 possession game it’s all about forcing more possessions, and we didn’t do that.
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Non-IU game minor quibbles
Since we’re talking detailed aspects of the game, this seems like a good place to bring this up, so as not to be accused of pouncing on the corpse.
One of my pet peeves of this team is with the clock winding down – whether it’s in a game-winning situation or simply in the course of the game.
All of us know the conventional wisdom is to wait until seven seconds on the clock if you want the final shot without the other team touching the ball. However, this team – time and again – has a HORRIBLY difficult time getting a decent shot off within seven seconds. It drives me bats!!
Is it really so difficult to tell your guys to run the offense with 10 or 11 seconds left on the clock in those situations?
A dozen years of mediocrity...
The program is not on an “upward trajectory”. Carmody entered his 12th season with a career conference record of 58-126. He is 5-8 this season. The only “upward trajectory” is the number of games we lose due to poor coaching decisions within the last 5 minutes.
by wbhnu on Feb 16, 2012 8:33 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I've said this for a while.
If NU gets to 9-9, then I’ll say it’s an upward trajectory, but 7-11 or 8-10 is a plateau that has risen from their horrendous previous years.
But, does anyone (rephrase, do many people) believe Carmody can take NU from the 7 or 8 win level to 10-13 wins in conference? I doubt it.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 16, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
So, for what it's worth
and I’m not drawing a direct comparison, and I understand how long Carmody’s been here.
Tubby Smith’s record in his 4 full seasons at Minnesota:
8-10
9-9
9-9
6-12
Let’s not forget how seriously tough it is for non-Top 4/5 teams to have 10-13 wins in the Big Ten. Tubby-fucking-Smith hasn’t even done it in Minnesota, a middling school with still miles more basketball tradition than Northwestern. Not to excuse Carmody, obviously, but I think you’re trivializing just how tough it is to succeed.
not to mention
Minnesota’s roster/program seems to be on the brink of implosion at some point every season.
Note that even Tom Crean has TERRIBLE W-L numbers at Indiana even after this year. It would take like 10 of the best years in NU’s history for Carmody to recover a respectable win pct. so please, don’t simply quote this and say “we need a new coach”. Much more receptive to a new angle than rehashing old points.
by wcgrad on Feb 16, 2012 12:12 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Please tell me
…all of those “poor coaching decisions within the last 5 minutes” that Carmody’s made. I mean, list them out. Because I’m game for this argument…all day.
by Damer on Feb 16, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
most of them are davide curletti related.
should not have been on the floor late at home against purdue – when he was out there in the last minute instead of drew crawford – or yesterday.
not getting a last shot against michigan when you have the ball on the game’s final possession with the score tied is inexcusable, you have to draw up a better play. same (to a lesser extent) against purdue at home.
I like Carmody, I don’t think he’s a bad coach. Every coach makes mistakes. That said, it’s not like he’s perfect – his rotations as of late have just been really confusing. Part of that comes from only having 6/7 healthy guys, but that’s a bed Carmody made himself.
by Rodger Sherman on Feb 16, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
problem with assessing in game coaching
Is that unless you have mic in the huddle or an interview with shurna, it’s not possible to know whether the play was bad, the execution was poor, or the opposing execution was excellent.
There is simply too little information to PROVE that the coaching is bad.
But we wouldn’t be fans if we weren’t debating this endlessly. Agreed that Curletti’s presence is puzzling I would’ve rather had Drew out there.
by wcgrad on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
To a certain extent, yes...
But the end of the half and end of the game execution the entire season has been bad. We’re not just talking about one instance. It’s a trend and it starts at the top.
I don’t believe this loss is on Carmody, but I also don’t think there’s much question he went to the 1-3-1 about five possessions too late last night.
by Dr. Toboggan on Feb 16, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
but what about games against
LSU/seton hall/tulsa/MSU/ILL #2 ?
We closed those out on good execution right? So by that count, we’re .500 in “toss up” games counting ILL #1/IND/MICH/PUR x2 as games we lost due to poor execution. Am I missing any others? Should we be way over .500? The losses are frustrating, but are they clearly attributable to coaching?
by wcgrad on Feb 16, 2012 12:45 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Of course they're not
Especially the Michigan game. When you don’t make a field goal for the final 8+ minutes, that doesn’t have much to do with coaching. (But such decisions as letting Crawford take the technical free throws and not demanding the ball goes in Shurna’s hands to end the game does not reflect well.) For what it’s worth, that’s the only game I think we really should’ve won among the losses.
But you know what also doesn’t have a lot to do with coaching? Taking care of the ball and making free throws at the end of the game. That’s all on the players, and that’s mostly what they had to do to protect wins in four of the five you mention above.
So if you think we’re giving him too much credit for losses, then you’re also giving him too much credit for those wins as well.
by Dr. Toboggan on Feb 16, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Love it.
“So if you think we’re giving him too much credit for losses, then you’re also giving him too much credit for those wins as well.”
Nailed it. Will use this going forward.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 16, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
yes.
of course, coaching is about putting your players in the best position to execute and its a failure at the end of the day on the coach if they don’t, but, agreed that that is true.
by Rodger Sherman on Feb 16, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Poor coaching in the last five minutes
(OT: Damer!! Where have you been?)
Anyhow, chalk me up to one of those guys who thinks he is a poor coach in the final two minutes. (Yes, I reduced the time span. Hope that’s not a problem.)
First of all, there’s a reason the Cats lose almost every game where they have the last shot to win. Carmody has one, single play he uses for EVERY end-of-game situation and it amounts to this: spread the court and either shoot or kick the ball.
So much for the PO. So much for the offensive genius.
Wonder why the Cats have trouble getting off that shot? It’s because every team knows it’s coming. Last year’s driver was Juice. This year’s is Drew. Keep it out of their hands and you see the confusion that you saw at the end of the Purdue game.
Also, after years of seeing the confusion that usually happens at the end of games, I firmly believe that these guys rarely turn on the clock at practice and review end of game situations.
how has the avg margin changed?
And weight that with SOS home/road injured players too if you can. K Thx. Simple W-L is not enough.
Gotta be in the games at the end to lose them by coaching decisions, anyway. Acknowledging that “trend” undercuts the premise that the program is regressing or even plateauing.
by wcgrad on Feb 16, 2012 12:23 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
What?
Simple W-L is not enough. Wrong response, that is the ultimate decision maker for the tournament, conference standings, records, etc.
Great point about being in close game to lose them anyways, I agree, but if NU loses them, then they are still losses on the record.
The trend arguments are about where this program is going, 8, 7, 7, and either 7 or 8 wins this year is not an ‘upward trend.’ If NU wins 9 or 10 games, then absolutely, it would be an upward trend.
Look I thought NU played a great game against a Top 25 team on the road with a Top 5 offense and played well, so I’m encouraged in some ways, but NU has to win 3 of its last 5 to even get to 8. I think it is doable.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 16, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Obv tourney committee
Looks at more than W-L. Your point about needing WINS to get in is well taken. Close losses don’t do much.
From a standpoint of program/coaching evaluation I would want MUCH more info than conf W-L.
If we don’t make the tourney, I’m leaning toward replacing BC.
by wcgrad on Feb 16, 2012 12:50 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
All I kept thinking last night...
… was, “When has a Carmody coached team went into a big game with readily obvious, immediate season ramifications, and won?” Clearly, his teams have been able to snag upsets and quality wins over the years, but it always seems that they’re at a point in the season where we’re already either on the edge of being counted out or we’ve been eliminated from any serious post-season consideration. Years ago, it was a loss to Ohio State and then an early exit from the B1G tourney that sealed our tournament fate. After that it was a close loss to Purdue in the B1G tourney (as well as several poor late season games before then) that could have established our credentials, but never happened. Last year, we were Sullinger’d after being PSU’d.
I’m not just talking NCAA tourney, either – in 2003-2004, we had a chance to win a game, get to .500, and go to the NIT, but then came up short against MSU in the B1G tourney. We have had numerous opportunities to win a late game and move up a couple of spots – even into the second day – of the B1G tourney seeding, but it never happens. Numerous years, we blew our first-round game in the NIT. The only examples I can think of where there was a combination of decent opponent and expectations on the line were Notre Dame last year, Seton Hall this year, and Boston College in the NIT (probably the best win of them all). That’s it.
In contrast, I think about that 1993-1994 season where we beat the Fab Four in the final game to get to .500 and make the NIT, and then followed it up with a solid victory against what was, at that time, a good DePaul squad. Sure, other schools would laugh at that as an “accomplishment”, but damn, it felt special to be a ‘Cats fan at that time. I even recall a late season NIT surge in 1998-1999 under O’Neill that felt like we were going somewhere.
I don’t know if any of that is necessarily Carmody’s fault, but last night was just a reminder that over these dozen years, there’s almost never been that late-season “magic moment” where we step up and accomplish something, be it playing on Saturday in the B1G tourney, making the NIT (when that phrase isn’t a euphamism for blowing a shot at the NCAA’s), finishing better than 7th in conference, or making it to Madison Square Garden – and that’s just depressing. I don’t know if we’re getting better under Carmody – I have my doubts – but I’d sure like to end a season once on a high note. If yesterday was any indicator, that’s not going to happen anytime soon.
Ring a ding, ding, ding...
NU has beaten teams when the other’s aren’t looking, MSU, Illinois on the Super Bowl, etc, but I completely agree. The game where NU won with pressure and the opponent’s full attention was the 08-09 season at Purdue. If you recall, Purdue BARELY beat NU in Evanston, and when we played at Purdue, it was a crucial game for NU’s tourney chances and Purdue’s seeding. That is the last time I recall NU winning a high pressure game.
Also, EVERYTIME I’ve seen NU be 2-3, 4-5, 5-6, 6-7, or whatever and have a chance to reach the magic .500 mark, they lose. But, GTom, there are two high pressure important games coming up, home Minn and home Michigan. It is late in the season, important games for both teams, and at home, there will be tons of pressure and eyes on these games. If NU wins one or both, then it will change my opinion on your assertion.
But, on a positive note, John Shurna has elevated his game to his highest level, and when the best player on a team raises his game like that, some good things can happen.
Of the upcoming two, I think Minnesota is more important in that, they are also 5-8, and struggling, that is the game to feel a little bit more confident in.
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 16, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Shurna is a stud, no doubt
I wasn’t quite sure where to place him two weeks ago, but now there is no question that he’s one of the best ‘Cats I’ve seen. This whole team has heart, and you just want some of those seniors to experience their well-earned rewards.
You’re right, there is still a chance for a special end to the season. Even with a dozen years of heartache, Carmody can win me over with a strong finish. Last night was so close to being special, but it just becomes painful to watch things fade away, again. I’m not expecting greatness, but I’m really hoping that this year I’m wrong.
All time Cats
Since I’ve been a NU fan (1998-1999), here are my top 6 Cats in order.
1. Evan Eschmeyer
2. Jitim Young
3. Michael “Juice” Thompson
4. John Shurna
5. Vedran Vukusic
6. Kevin Coble
by NU Alumni - Class of 2002 on Feb 16, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Before your time and not in order
- Kevin Rankin
- Geno Carlisle
Shurna’s number one. Nobody else on that list, other than Juice, has accomplished more in terms of W’s or L’s. He’s earned it.
I'd add Pat Baldwin
He goes hand-in-hand with Rankin.
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